MILWAUKEE –The Brewers tried to hand the Pirates a victory. But the Pirates haven’t looked right — in any capacity — in the first two games of the season’s second half, again performing in horribly sloppy fashion in an 8-5 setback in their personal House of Horrors.
Jordy Mercer committed an error for the third time in six games. Francisco Cervelli committed an error when attempting to throw a runner out at second. He was also guilty of a passed ball. The pitchers walked five batters and hit another. The hitters left runners in scoring position in three different innings.
Things now look scary for the Pirates.
They face Milwaukee’s hottest starter, Taylor Jungmann, on Sunday and will oppose him with No. 5 starter Jeff Locke. Then it’s on to Kansas City for three games against the defending American League champs. Then it’s home for more fun with Max Scherzer and the Nationals.
The Pirates might want to snap out of it soon.
“It was a crazy game,” Clint Hurdle said. “And there were a couple of misplays that didn’t help.”
Pedro Alvarez wasn’t charged with an error but had another tough game at first base. On a ground ball to Neil Walker in the first, Alvarez broke toward the ball — this has been a problem all season — before heading back to first. Walker had to wait on him to return to the base, and Ryan Braun was safe at first.
Alvarez wasn’t much better at the plate. He struck out in the third with two runners on and one out. He struck out in the seventh while representing the game-tying run.
“We put on 16 pitches because of misplays,” Hurdle said of the Pirates’ pitch count. “We just haven’t done enough in these two games.”
It would be easy for the Pirates to feel frustration two games in the second half of the season. That magical series at PNC Park last weekend against the Cardinals feels like a long time ago. Suddenly, the Pirates trail by 4 1/2 games and their schedule is considerably more difficult than that of the Cardinals over the next six weeks.
Starling Marte, however, insists the Pirates aren’t the least bit frustrated. He suggested that patience will pay off, in a conversation we had long after the game.
“We aren’t frustrated at all,” he said. “This is just the start of the second half. We had a few days off. Maybe some of the bats aren’t ready yet. It’s only two games. We know we can get hot at any time. We’ll be back tomorrow.”
• Francisco Liriano was a late scratch for a stiff neck.
He didn’t feel right when he woke up Saturday morning, complaining of a new round of recurring stiffness. Still, he thought he’d be able to pitch and didn’t alert anyone that he might be unable to go. When he reached the bullpen for his pregame session, however, it became apparent to him that it wouldn’t be in his best interests to pitch.
He didn’t seem to think the injury was serious:
Hurdle said that he isn’t sure how this will alter his starting rotation. He wants to keep left-handers Liriano and Locke separated. The preliminary plan is to keep the staff intact for the next four games. Locke will pitch Sunday. A.J. Burnett, Gerrit Cole and Charlie Morton will pitch in Kansas City.
Liriano’s next scheduled start would be Thursday at PNC Park against the Nationals.
“We’ll see,” Hurdle said. “I don’t have any answers right now.”
• Vance Worley was told he would start this game “five minutes before the anthem.” He was in the clubhouse when Liriano’s bullpen session ended prematurely.
“I just pulled my hoodie off, jogged to the pen and got ready,” he said. “I had 10 minutes.”
Worley said he ordinarily goes to the bullpen 30 minutes before the national anthem for a long-toss session. He had no such opportunity on this night.
He never looked comfortable on the mound and had particular trouble with leadoff hitter Gerardo Parra. He led off the first with a single but did even more damage in the fourth inning. Worley and Parra battled for 10 pitches before a walk was issued. Jonathan Lucroywent deep on the next pitch and the Brewers never looked back.
“I threw him a lot of different pitches, man,” Worley said of Parra. “He put up a good at-bat. I wasn’t going to give him anything good.”
Hurdle said he liked the way Worley “battled” but added his pitch count quickly became an issue. He made it through four innings, throwing 81 pitches.
Worley also noted that the extremely muggy conditions took a toll. A nasty storm went through Milwaukee about two hours before first pitch.
“There is always a lot of adversity in this game,” Worley said. “That was something I just had to deal with. I got as loose as I could.”
Because Worley won’t be available for a few days, Hurdle said the Pirates will consider bringing up a reliever from Class AAA Indianapolis for the Kansas City series.
• I chatted with Marte about what was, in my opinion, the game’s biggest play. The Pirates were up, 3-0, with no outs and runners at second and third in the first inning. Cervelli was up. It was an opportunity to put the game away before it started.
Cervelli hit a shallow fly to right, whereBraun, who possesses a pretty strong arm, was waiting. Marte went home and was thrown out by a mile.
It was unclear at the time if Marte went home on his own or was told by third base coach Rick Sofield.
“I was tagging,” Marte said. “And he told me to go. I just listened and went. It wasn’t hit very far, but we like to be aggressive. I thought I could get there.”
In fairness to Sofield, Marte doesn’t get thrown out very often at any base in any situation. But it was a gamble with no outs.
Braun’s throw was right on the money. Marte was surprised Braun unleashed such a powerful throw.
“Yes, very,” Marte said. “It got to the plate very fast.”
• The Pirates were supremely unhappy to have lost because of how the Brewers played.
Consider what the Brewers gave away in the first inning: A Carlos Gomez error, a Jean Segura error, a walk, a hit batter, a wild pitch, a mental error in the field by Segura, and three Pirates hits. Oh, and those two errors were really, really awful.
And as if that wasn’t enough, there still weren’t any outs. The Brewers couldn’t have been more dreadful. Their fans had turned on them and the Pirates were about to blow them out. But it didn’t happen.
Hurdle was right about it being a crazy game. One more loss, and it’s a sweep to start the second half.
The fact that Sofield would send Marte in that situation is absolutely ridiculous Braun is known to have a good arm and the ball was not hit far, that single play changed the entire game. Players deserve better coaches
The thing is, Sofeld has been just as guilty earlier in the season of being under-agressive, to the point where players were running over his stop signs (Gung's last triple for example). The out of synch-ness to start the second half includes the coaching staff apparently.
The wolf
7-19-2015, 1:47 am
Kang excuse me.
JosePagan
7-19-2015, 8:44 am
When asked about Sofield, Hurdle said: "He showered well."
Jose
cherokee23
7-19-2015, 9:23 am
By all accounts, sofield is a great guy, but this is far from the first time he's given away outs by sending players. What was the story about he & leyva switching bases this year?
Biz
7-19-2015, 12:40 am
Its a long season, too many missed opportunities tonight. A trade or two will not change fundamental mistakes
Well said. That has been the issue all season. Players who should "know better" don't.
Years of talk about teaching young players to play the game "The Pirate Way" and they are still (up and down the roster) doing things on the base paths, fielding and batting that make you scratch your head and wonder "does anyone here know how to play this game?"
Jose
Biz
7-19-2015, 12:49 am
We will miss Petey when he is gone. Learning to play first is not easy
Nor is learning to be a pro ballplayer apparently.
Frank Micko
7-19-2015, 6:18 am
The Pirates need to smarten up and hold off on replacing Pedro until they've someone that's worth playing at 1st base. They're regularly sitting the 2nd most RBIs over the last 30days to play guys that can't hit due to pretending errors affect the score as often as well.....scoring.
Johnny23
7-19-2015, 7:40 am
we can't miss him till he is gone ..lol
Matt the Stat
7-19-2015, 1:14 am
After this game we can now add questionable third base coaching to the list of Pirates' flaws. Sofield's over aggressive decision in the first inning changed the whole complexion of the game. I remember another instance earlier this season in Philadelphia when he opted to send a runner on a fly to right and that decision resulted in a game ending double play. Also, when is management's love affair with KDro going to end? The dude swings at bad pitches and stares at ones right in the strike zone. And his fielding continues to be haphazard. Getting swept by the Brewers certainly will not be a good way to start the second half especially with a daunting schedule looming on the horizon. Some moves need to be made to upgrade the roster.
I watched the clip of Nelson's 2-run single and thought, "any other 1B somehow smothers or stops that ball, especially playing that close to the line." But not Alvarez. Add to that the play you cite above with Walker/Braun where Alvarez ranged to his right, and his defense is unacceptable. His 15 errors are making a mockery of the 1B position. This team badly needs a first baseman. To quote Warden Norton of Shawshank prison: "I want him found. Not tomorrow, not after breakfast, NOW."
Please name the guy who is reasonably available and not equally flawed in one respect or another.
bpn8pitt
7-19-2015, 8:58 am
Neil Martin Walker.
Matt in AZ
7-19-2015, 9:28 am
Adam Lind. Left-handed hitter with some pop, a good OBP, and fewer errors in his past 204 games at 1B than Pedro has this season. It would take a bit more to get him because the Brewers would have no use for Alvarez, unlike an AL team, who could use him as a DH. But right now, the Bucs have to look at whatever other options are available. Pedro's offensive "potential"should not be enough to keep him on the field consistently. My point above was that I don't want the Pirates to wait until the 11th hour on deadline day to find a fix, or at least a good platoon partner. Find a player they like, and make the deal now.
bpn8pitt
7-19-2015, 9:32 am
I don't know Matt. He's got a very affordable club option for '16. He could be had, but not for something somewhat substantial. I think he's in the Brewers plans for next year , unless they are blown away.
Matt in AZ
7-19-2015, 9:53 am
I agree it would take a lot to get Lind. And trading within the division is almost always an iffy idea, especially when dealing prospects. However, considering the year Milwaukee is having, very few players on their roster are 100% in their plans for 2016. Braun, Lucroy and Jungmann should be the only players close to "untouchable."
If the Bucs are gonna try and deal Pedro, though, it almost has to be to an AL team. It's pretty clear Pedro is a classic DH. Perhaps Texas would part with Moreland for a package involving Pedro and a couple top 15 prospects. I don't know. What I do know is that a team with hopes of winning a division cannot continue to play Pedro regularly. A bad 1B with an inconsistent bat will eventually sabotage the team.
J.R.
7-19-2015, 9:57 am
I like the Walker idea, but have to assume, as you said elsewhere, that conversation has happened and wasn't positive. My guess is that Neil thinks he's cemented his Pittsburgh legacy, and would rather try someplace else than go through yet another position change. I'm also not completely sold that we're net positive with moving Neil to first and having Harrison (whose glove has been iffy this year) to second full time. But I'd be open to it if Neil approved the idea. Lind was intriguing to me when he was in Toronto. But that said, I have a couple very close friends who are big, big Jays fans, and he drove them nuts almost exactly the same way Pedro drives us nuts. Plus, I just don't see what good Pedro does for the Brewers, assuming that was the move.
steelag70
7-19-2015, 9:59 am
In all honesty, it will probably take a three team deal to make a significant upgrade at 1B possible with all the pieces needed to get it done. I also hope the Buccos don't put all their eggs in one basket with Josh Bell either. He is really struggling to learn the position and has no power either.
Matt in AZ
7-19-2015, 10:15 am
It is unfortunate that Bell has struggled at learning first base. I think he may grow into his power a bit as he matures. His average, OBP and RBI total are all positives right now. But he's still a year away from the majors, assuming his defense improves. Jose Osuna is an intriguing possibility. He has the same number of HR as Bell, but in half the at bats. Needs to improve his plate discipline a bit, though, with only 6 walks so far.
bpn8pitt
7-19-2015, 10:20 am
As I said, it just sucks. They are looking for a 1st baseman in a depressed, sellers market. Worst of it is, the Cards are probably looking at the same pool of players.
ajwrites57
7-19-2015, 2:59 am
Yes, Josh, this loss was a team effort. A sad showing, not ready for prime time, losing ground that may be hard to make up. I dunno...
And just like that, all great effort from last weekend got undone by two awful games. I am watching these games at plus 6 hours in Europe deep at night, and for the two consecutive games I am throwing away my ipad and going to sleep because of Pedro.
Give the Reds whatever they want for Votto and let's not worry about this again for a few years.
Battleship Bob
7-19-2015, 6:03 am
I have to keep reminding myself, because I get all worked up about what the Pirates need to do to get to the next level, or who they need to trade or who they need to promote.... It doesn't matter. It is not about winning championships, or winning games, or catching the Cardinals or making the playoffs. It is all about making money, which the Pirates are currently doing. There is zero incentive to change anything. We, the fans, have enabled a good-but-not-great team and everything that comes with it.
Good but not great? The team with the third best record in the entire league? Inconsistent sure. But we've handled the good teams fairly well and Milwaukee has just had our number,especially in their park.
Rico
7-19-2015, 9:10 am
Nutting is CHEAP!!!
Gerald ODonnell Jr
7-19-2015, 6:49 am
You can't win a World Series with an $85 million payroll. They need to make a big splash trade or they'll just be fighting for another wild card berth.
Seems that some fans are happy with that , when I questioned Nuttings commitment to get the team over the top a few fans said if you want to criticize don't go to the games
Rick Gagliardo
7-19-2015, 7:02 am
I've wondered if Philly would accept Pedro as part of a deal for Hamels. His "potential" might save us from giving them a valuable young player.
We were all shocked that Marte tried to score on Cervelli's fly out. To hear that it was Sofield's call is even more concerning. He had to know of Braun's arm strength as well as the shallowness of the fly.
I thought that play more than any other was the key turning point. The Pirates ran themselves out of the game when they should have run the Brewers' pitcher out, instead. Not a smart play, at all.
With Mercer on deck and Worley in the hole? Really?
I give Braun credit for the throw.
Matt the Stat
7-19-2015, 9:50 am
Bpn -- yes the runner should not have been sent on such a shallow fly ball. With one out you still have a chance with a sac fly with Mercer. In addition Worley is a better hitting pitcher than most. Worst case scenario you would have the top of the order leading off the next inning
bpn8pitt
7-19-2015, 10:00 am
You don't think Mercer would have been walked with 1st base open? And then you have Worley, a surefire DP candidate with bases loaded?
Way too much hindsight on that play. If he held Marte there would be just as many people crying as to why he wasn't sent.
JAL
7-19-2015, 7:42 am
traveling today so won't be able to post lineups on game thead
I'm interested how they solve this 1b position. Not just at the deadline but moving forward into 2016. Kang really looks like he's going to stick at 3rd. Which frees up Harrison either to play some RF, or spell Walker at 2nd. Then you have that Hanson kid, who's a switch hitter.
If they acquire a rental 1bman at the deadline, and he's not a longterm solution I think the first thing they do is go to Neil and see if he's open to 1st in 2016. I think that's unlikely, considering he's entering a walk year. He could be traded.
I still think Josh Bell is a year away at least. And he's got 2 less errors than Alvarez, with 8 less HRs so he still needs a lot of work.
I feel bad for Neil but the fallout from this 1b disaster is going to affect him someway.
Neil has to know that 1b question is coming, right Josh?
JosePagan
7-19-2015, 9:29 am
While I do not disagree that this is a potential solution and certainly Walker could do it, you hit the nail on the head with the "will he want to?" question.
He started as a catcher, moved to 3rd, then played some OF along with 2B in the minors. I think he wants to be known as a second baseman but which his range issues he might just be better off moving to first. He has shown the power you would want and he hits for average.
All that said when he hits the market the big payday will not happen if he is at a new position, imho.
Jose
bpn8pitt
7-19-2015, 9:43 am
That's the question Jose. If I'm Neil, and someone asks me about 1st I say "Sure, I'll go to 1st. But give me some financial security." That conversation may have already happened and went nowhere fast.
It's tough. They bet on Pedro and lost. No simple solutions left now.
J.R.
7-19-2015, 9:59 am
I agree it's not simple, but my preferred solution for the time being (absent a Walker move or something else I'm not coming up with) is to ride it out with Pedro and wait for Josh Bell.
bpn8pitt
7-19-2015, 10:13 am
Just don't think they can trust Pedro defensively in Sept, JR. But I'm willing to bet he's got one more hot streak in the bat. The good news is he will DH in KC.
J.R.
7-19-2015, 10:34 am
I hear everything everybody's saying. And I'm sure there will be bad errors in key games. But the rest of the defense has hardly been lights out. Mercer, who sees a lot more batted balls, seems to be booting very easy plays with regularity. As I said elsewhere, Harrison has been far from great. Polanco has been a mess. And I just don't see Rodriguez/ Ishikawa as a significant upgrade. So, yeah, I think Pedro should DH, but it's not like the team is wildly better with that alignment than it would be if he played the field and one of those guys was the DH. Marginal difference for the better, in my opinion.
unipress_558491a3b527f
7-19-2015, 8:49 am
Coming out the second half with Morton, Worley, and Locke absolutely a horrible decision.
This town has a football mentality at times. Baseball, unlike the other game, has a long, grueling season filled with twists and turns and ups and downs. Losing a game or two midseason isn't the end of the world, nor is winning a few in a row a guarantee of success. The key is to be as even keel as much as possible, and thank goodness the players under Hurdle seem to have absorbed that lesson, unlike the hyperreactive, hysterical fan base whose head flies off every time the team loses two or more in a row. Get a grip, people, this is a good team--things will get better!
Rico - things will not get better with KDro at first base
Carmen
7-19-2015, 9:58 am
I agree with your general premise Rico, in that it is a long season of peaks and valleys. However a look at the Cards message board, who are following the most successful team this century, shows anxiety has no bounds. Given the Pirates have a recency bias that could give Pollyanna a case of paranoia, it's also not surprising. After all, it's only been the last two seasons where the Pirates avoided a losing August over more than two decades.
Another point is that there are trends that go beyond any day to day results. One is the divisional record, particularly on the road. It's no surprise that the Pirates surge that begun on May 22 aligned with a stretch of non-divisional games. Also the fact that the Pirates are not fundamentally strong across the board, but are winning primarily due to strong pitching and closing out games adds to an already high level of anxiety.
Rico
7-19-2015, 10:20 am
I agree, Matt, that Pedro is hopeless at first. If he were hitting, we could accept the bad defense, but his weak sauce offense along with his horror show at first is unacceptable. And cdeardo, excellent comment. I do think there is more than a little PTSD given the Lost Years we Pirates fans endured, but also the fact that they have not had consistent offense or defense all year, on top of a tough second half schedule, I agree it does create justifiable anxiety. But I do think that management has earned our confidence and will try hard to improve the team, and the performance the last two years has shown they can thrive in the face of adversity, so I'm not really all that nervous myself.
Gerardo Parra welcomes Jonathan Lucroy after his two-run home run in the fourth inning Saturday. -- GETTY
July 19, 2015
Marte vows of sloppy Pirates: ‘We’ll be back’
by Josh Yohe • Coverage • Pirates
MILWAUKEE –The Brewers tried to hand the Pirates a victory. But the Pirates haven’t looked right — in any capacity — in the first two games of the season’s second half, again performing in horribly sloppy fashion in an 8-5 setback in their personal House of Horrors.
Jordy Mercer committed an error for the third time in six games. Francisco Cervelli committed an error when attempting to throw a runner out at second. He was also guilty of a passed ball. The pitchers walked five batters and hit another. The hitters left runners in scoring position in three different innings.
Things now look scary for the Pirates.
They face Milwaukee’s hottest starter, Taylor Jungmann, on Sunday and will oppose him with No. 5 starter Jeff Locke. Then it’s on to Kansas City for three games against the defending American League champs. Then it’s home for more fun with Max Scherzer and the Nationals.
The Pirates might want to snap out of it soon.
“It was a crazy game,” Clint Hurdle said. “And there were a couple of misplays that didn’t help.”
Pedro Alvarez wasn’t charged with an error but had another tough game at first base. On a ground ball to Neil Walker in the first, Alvarez broke toward the ball — this has been a problem all season — before heading back to first. Walker had to wait on him to return to the base, and Ryan Braun was safe at first.
Alvarez wasn’t much better at the plate. He struck out in the third with two runners on and one out. He struck out in the seventh while representing the game-tying run.
“We put on 16 pitches because of misplays,” Hurdle said of the Pirates’ pitch count. “We just haven’t done enough in these two games.”
It would be easy for the Pirates to feel frustration two games in the second half of the season. That magical series at PNC Park last weekend against the Cardinals feels like a long time ago. Suddenly, the Pirates trail by 4 1/2 games and their schedule is considerably more difficult than that of the Cardinals over the next six weeks.
Starling Marte, however, insists the Pirates aren’t the least bit frustrated. He suggested that patience will pay off, in a conversation we had long after the game.
“We aren’t frustrated at all,” he said. “This is just the start of the second half. We had a few days off. Maybe some of the bats aren’t ready yet. It’s only two games. We know we can get hot at any time. We’ll be back tomorrow.”
• Francisco Liriano was a late scratch for a stiff neck.
He didn’t feel right when he woke up Saturday morning, complaining of a new round of recurring stiffness. Still, he thought he’d be able to pitch and didn’t alert anyone that he might be unable to go. When he reached the bullpen for his pregame session, however, it became apparent to him that it wouldn’t be in his best interests to pitch.
He didn’t seem to think the injury was serious:
Hurdle said that he isn’t sure how this will alter his starting rotation. He wants to keep left-handers Liriano and Locke separated. The preliminary plan is to keep the staff intact for the next four games. Locke will pitch Sunday. A.J. Burnett, Gerrit Cole and Charlie Morton will pitch in Kansas City.
Liriano’s next scheduled start would be Thursday at PNC Park against the Nationals.
“We’ll see,” Hurdle said. “I don’t have any answers right now.”
• Vance Worley was told he would start this game “five minutes before the anthem.” He was in the clubhouse when Liriano’s bullpen session ended prematurely.
“I just pulled my hoodie off, jogged to the pen and got ready,” he said. “I had 10 minutes.”
Worley said he ordinarily goes to the bullpen 30 minutes before the national anthem for a long-toss session. He had no such opportunity on this night.
He never looked comfortable on the mound and had particular trouble with leadoff hitter Gerardo Parra. He led off the first with a single but did even more damage in the fourth inning. Worley and Parra battled for 10 pitches before a walk was issued. Jonathan Lucroy went deep on the next pitch and the Brewers never looked back.
“I threw him a lot of different pitches, man,” Worley said of Parra. “He put up a good at-bat. I wasn’t going to give him anything good.”
Hurdle said he liked the way Worley “battled” but added his pitch count quickly became an issue. He made it through four innings, throwing 81 pitches.
Worley also noted that the extremely muggy conditions took a toll. A nasty storm went through Milwaukee about two hours before first pitch.
“There is always a lot of adversity in this game,” Worley said. “That was something I just had to deal with. I got as loose as I could.”
Because Worley won’t be available for a few days, Hurdle said the Pirates will consider bringing up a reliever from Class AAA Indianapolis for the Kansas City series.
• I chatted with Marte about what was, in my opinion, the game’s biggest play. The Pirates were up, 3-0, with no outs and runners at second and third in the first inning. Cervelli was up. It was an opportunity to put the game away before it started.
Cervelli hit a shallow fly to right, where Braun, who possesses a pretty strong arm, was waiting. Marte went home and was thrown out by a mile.
It was unclear at the time if Marte went home on his own or was told by third base coach Rick Sofield.
“I was tagging,” Marte said. “And he told me to go. I just listened and went. It wasn’t hit very far, but we like to be aggressive. I thought I could get there.”
In fairness to Sofield, Marte doesn’t get thrown out very often at any base in any situation. But it was a gamble with no outs.
Braun’s throw was right on the money. Marte was surprised Braun unleashed such a powerful throw.
“Yes, very,” Marte said. “It got to the plate very fast.”
• The Pirates were supremely unhappy to have lost because of how the Brewers played.
Consider what the Brewers gave away in the first inning: A Carlos Gomez error, a Jean Segura error, a walk, a hit batter, a wild pitch, a mental error in the field by Segura, and three Pirates hits. Oh, and those two errors were really, really awful.
Seriously. Watch this.
And as if that wasn’t enough, there still weren’t any outs. The Brewers couldn’t have been more dreadful. Their fans had turned on them and the Pirates were about to blow them out. But it didn’t happen.
Hurdle was right about it being a crazy game. One more loss, and it’s a sweep to start the second half.