Bud Dupree holds up his new Steelers jersey with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell Thursday in Chicago. — GETTY
BY DEJAN KOVACEVIC
Alvin Dupree, or Bud, as he’s been known since he was big enough to tell kids to stop calling him Alvin, sounds like a sensationally nice kid.
He’s also a superb athletic specimen at 6 feet 4, 264 pounds, with speed and strength and, per his performance at the NFL Scouting Combine, he can long-jump from here to Long Island.
So yeah, maybe, just maybe the Steelers got a good one.
Maybe Kevin Colbert and Mike Tomlin will come up roses for investing their first-round pick in the NFL Draft last night, No. 22 overall, on this highly decorated outside linebacker from the University of Kentucky, and maybe Colbert will be vindicated eventually for declaring to us assembled media afterward, “This is a gift for us” and “We didn’t expect him to be there at 22,” or Tomlin for describing Dupree as a “unique animal.”
But for right now, I’ll stand safely alongside what’s presumably the bulk of the Nation as a whole and wonder aloud exactly how long the linebacker position will be prioritized before this the cosmic black hole that the defensive secondary has become.
I’ll just let it out: I’m sick of linebackers.
I’m sick of linebacker after linebacker after linebacker being taken in the first round of the draft, which last happened as recently as, oh, right now:
I’m sick of hearing that one linebacker is “special,” as Colbert deemed Jarvis Jones, and that the next linebacker breathes “rare air,” as Tomlin breathlessly spoke of Ryan Shazier, only to watch both look terribly ordinary once they unpacked at Saint Vincent.
I’m sick of starting linebackers retiring at age 27.
I’m sick of linebackers un-retiring at age 36, then somehow starting.
And all I did as the picks passed in this round, other than to raptly appreciate Roger Goodell being booed with equal gusto anywhere for any reason, was to count the vanishing cornerbacks:
Trae Waynes, Michigan State, 11th overall to the Vikings.
Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest, 16th to the Texans.
Marcus Peters, Washington, 18th to the Chiefs.
Drip, drip, drip. And that last one was the dagger, especially in the context that the thought should be perished that the Steelers could trade up. Peters had made a mess of his time with the Huskies and eventually was kicked off the team by the coaching staff because he didn’t seem to welcome being coached. But kids mature, the versions of that drama varied enough to cast some doubt and, above all, this is a corner that experts concur can flat-out cover. Maybe Andy Reid will make a player of him.
Maybe Tomlin and staff could have, too. We’ll never know.
We’ll also never know their real preference in this round. Every indication was that this time, honestly and truly, they sought a corner. That they’d seen the light at long last. That they finally looked at their depth chart in the secondary, took a deep breath and succumbed to the cold reality of owning the NFL’s most dynamic passing offense and one of its worst passing defenses.
At least that would be nice to think. Because from there, one could be convinced that they’ll take that exact approach into the second and third rounds Friday, even though those three corners are gone, as well as Byron Jones, Connecticut, 27th to the Cowboys.
We’ll see.
Colbert was asked, for seemingly the zillionth time in this setting, why he took another linebacker over a corner, and he was predictably prepared for it: “Again, we didn’t expect Dupree to be there at 22. That was a very easy selection. As we say all the time, we’re never going to lock ourselves into any position. We want good football players. Bud Dupree certainly fits that category.”
We’ll see about that, too.
It’s not just that the book is out on Dupree. It’s that the storyline is all over the place. Expert reviews range from his having no-doubt, top-10 talent to performing well only against lesser linemen. If you’re among the dozen or so who watched CBS Sports’ coverage of the draft, you saw that panel give the Steelers an A+ grade, with Pete Prisco glowing that Dupree “never should have fallen that far with all that ability.” If you subscribe to the statheads at Pro Football Focus, you’d have read their staff label Dupree “as bad a pick as has been made, based solely on tape. Dupree is a tremendous athlete, but he’s far from a tremendous football player at this point. He generated his pressure at Kentucky beating up on bad tackles and wasn’t all that productive. He’s going to need an awful lot of coaching up on a Steelers team that’s desperate for some pass rush now.”
That’s now as in now, mind you. The Steelers’ 33 sacks last season marked their lowest total since 1989, and Jason Worilds just walked off with 7 1/2 of those. So the need at that position is real, too, even if not as overarching as the one at corner.
But if that need is real and it’s now, then why go for a project like Dupree, who might need the same year or two we’ve seen allotted to Jones and Shazier?
The offense isn’t exactly in wait-and-see mode. It’s already dynamite, and it might be second to none if Martavis Bryant takes off as expected. Windows in the NFL don’t last long, and this one is as wide open as an Antonio Brown slant. The time to shore up that defense is now. And it says here that the best way to have done that was with a plug-and-play cover corner, who could have made a difference now and, given the need at the position, deep into the future, too.
It’s possible that only Waynes could offer that from this class of corners. But at worst, any corner could have been eased in with the nickel and still played more than Dupree likely will.
At best?
Well, let’s just say the Steelers’ well-worn path here isn’t working. And it’s past time to consider that getting to the passer doesn’t mean nearly as much as it once did in this dink-and-dunk day and age of quarterbacks zipping 5-yard strikes in less than 1.5 seconds.
Again, to be fair, Dupree seems wonderful.
On the field, in 47 games for Kentucky, he recorded 23.5 sacks, second-most in school history, as well as 38 tackles for a loss, four forced fumbles and a game-winning interception this past season against South Carolina.
Highlights from Kentucky’s official page:
Beyond that, unlike most pure pass rushers, he also finished second on the team with 74 tackles, an encouraging sign that he can seal the edge in the running game.
I asked Colbert about that specifically, and the GM heaped on even more praise: “He is very, very strong at the point of attack. That’s why, really, when you watch him work out as we did at his pro day, you had to keep reminding yourself that this guy is 6 feet 4 and 269. He doesn’t look that big until you get up close to him. He can surely play the point. He can power rush. He can speed rush. He can put moves together. He can rush off of two feet or out of a three-point stance. And he can cover. So really this is a gift for us to be able to get this guy at 22.”
It wasn’t just the Steelers who loved Dupree at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis a couple months ago. Listen to the commentators during his 40-yard dash:
Tomlin was equally effusive about the intangible impression Dupree made on March 12, when those two went to dinner the night before Kentucky’s pro day: “He had a lot of questions about James Harrison, not only the player but also the professional. He asked a lot about his workout regimen and things of that nature. He asked good questions for a young man.”
Dupree didn’t speak excessively on his conference call with us Pittsburgh media types, as Tomlin had predicted, but he made his points.
• On winding up with the Steelers: “It was a great surprise. It’s still a shock because I really talked to the coaches only one time at pro day, so when they called my name it was great.”
• On why he writes the word ‘SAVAGE’ on his wrist: “You want to see it every day and make sure you don’t just talk about it. So I put it on my wrist, so it’s with me all the time.”
• On waiting in the infamous green room as he kept dropping: “It was a horrible wait. But I think I’m in the right position. I’m glad that Coach Tomlin gave me a chance, and I will prove them right.”
It’s OK, young man. A whole lot of others are still waiting impatiently.
Colbert said the only consideration to trade up at a certain point was to assure they'd end up with Dupree.
BillyBaduka
5-1-2015, 7:46 am
Why would they tell if they did? To placate fans at the expense of the kid they just took? Not going to happen.
"We really like this player. We never thought he'd fall to us. Well really we tried to move up to get someone else. It didn't happen but we got a great consolation prize."
Maybe Chip Kelly said something like that because the entire media and Phily area was in mass hysteria thinking they could move from 20 to 2 without giving up the farm. The WR they took has to know he was second choice at best.
But if you haven't shown your cards, there's no reason good reason to do so after the fact.
Lupe Sanchez
5-1-2015, 9:54 am
Exactly, Billy. They'd have placed that close to the vest. It's entirely possible and probable they talked about moving up to take Peters or Johnson. But why would they ever admit it.
jjvesco99
5-1-2015, 1:56 am
If jones n shazier don't show something this year and this guy barely sees the field that's gotta be it for Colbert.
I'm not sure why there's so much blame directed at Colbert for the past several drafts. When looking for reasons why things happen (good or bad) you have to examine the variables. The drafts were pretty good in the Cowher/Colbert regime. So you think Colbert all of a sudden has become an idiot? Though the Steelers keep their draft processes pretty secretive, it seems clear that the HC has a whole lot of input on draft day. And I'll leave it at that.
WildcatRay
5-1-2015, 12:10 pm
The one thing that is probably hardest to judge is a player's heart/drive/desire/(insert your own term here). And, even then, that player has to be coachable, too. (He has to be willing to follow and learn from his coaches and teammates so that his heart/drive/desire is effectively channeled in the proper direction.)
Once you get past these, you come to coaching. Not only do they have to be effective in teaching the needed fundamentals, they must also be certain that they are not asking a player to do something he is not capable of doing. (Not everyone has the skill set of a Troy Polamalu. Don't ask a Mike Mitchell or a Shamarko Thomas to make the plays he did in his prime.)
This brings up a tangential point. Did the presence of Troy Polamalu skew the opposition to where the other 10 players were more effective than they otherwise would have been?
David
5-1-2015, 2:26 pm
It for Colbert? Are you unaware of the great talents this guy has drafted? Colbert isn't going anywhere anytime soon. You can't always draft great players, but you can turn potential into dominanve
@SteelersNasty
5-1-2015, 2:33 pm
Cobert has FAR too many misses for the few hits to save him if/when Duprees doesn't pan out.
Adam Smith
5-1-2015, 2:15 am
Dupree? Ah, so that's the guy Jim Rutherford was talking about in his presser. #someonehadtogothere
I think the jury is still out on Jarvis. Apparently could not pick up the defense year 1 and last year was injured--looked decent in Carolina game. I am more inclined to think the Shazier pick is a bust and total stretch. Dupree seems to be either the "steal of the first day" or "total reach". Hopefully they draft secondary the next THREE picks--unlikely.
I think that's exactly what their approach should be now...next 3 picks at CB.
Scott Hey Hey
5-1-2015, 2:30 am
CB/DB*
Sportsguy15478
5-1-2015, 3:30 am
Sir I agree they should go Secondary next but next 3 picks?? I'll be shocked if they go with first 4 picks all defense. Last time they went all defense in first 3 rounds was 2003 so doesn't really happen. I expect/hope they go Corner round 2 then I wouldn't be surprise they snag a WR/TE in round 3 then back to corner/safety in the 4th round.
Scott Hey Hey
5-1-2015, 3:40 am
If they don't at least go DB with the next 2 picks I'll be shocked (unless a Dorial Green-Beckham falls into their laps in the 3rd Rd). Otherwise, it's got to be CB/DB, in my opinion.
Sportsguy15478
5-1-2015, 3:51 am
I hope your right Scott, and if they would land DGB, that would be awesome as well!
WildcatRay
5-1-2015, 7:19 am
Bell was hurt in camp during his rookie year and then blossomed when he was healthy (until the playoff game).
Perhaps the same may happen with Jones. With two years in the system--I wouldn't expect there to be major system changes going from Lebeau to Butler--Jones may be ready to blossom if he stays healthy this year.
Scott Hey Hey
5-1-2015, 2:25 am
Had Worilds not retired, I would be upset with taking yet another LB, but once he did, the need was there. So, I'm not going to bash them for making this pick, since the top 3 CB's were already off the board. I don't want them overreaching on a lesser CB, at the cost of passing on a better player at another need position.
wait Strangelove, what are you saying? Please restate (again)
Groat2Maz2Strangeglove
5-1-2015, 8:53 am
Very, very, very, very wise comment!!
Plus, I think this is a very wise comment!!
king of rock
5-1-2015, 10:11 am
...and SCENE!
lirwin33
5-1-2015, 2:31 am
"He generated his pressure at Kentucky beating up on bad tackles..."
What, in practice? He went against the SEC every week, where are the bad tackles there??
I don't love the pick, but after the top-3 corners went, there was a definite dropoff between them and BYRON (not Bryan) Jones. I'd have preferred Landon Collins to stabilize the secondary, but Bud was a legit top-15 player who happened to fall. Maybe he sucks, but maybe this gives Jarvis the kick in the ass he needs, or maybe he's the next backer that the Steelers have needed to they don't keep relying on James Harrison's corpse.
Did Rob Rossi hijack this column? Who knows how this works out. Is a first round corner going to be better? No one knows. Let's take a collective deep breath Steeler fans.
Who's being definitive about how it will work out, Keith? The job pretty much entails immediate opinion. That's what's offered. If I waited three years to comment on every draft, not even Lunatic-level subscribers would be guaranteed to read about it.
Nick
5-1-2015, 5:48 am
Comparing the great DK with that whiny hack Ross? Pretty low even for a Yinzer....
Keith Carlson
5-1-2015, 11:13 am
You know us Lunatics will be there even after three years. Who knows about Steelers draft picks. :-) Didn't mean to lump you in with RR. That was misplaced humor.
riles3109
5-1-2015, 2:50 am
Yea that's actually why u should stick to pucks dk..first round cb's have a terrible track record. ..going by need is the number one reason why busts..look at all the best corners in the the league..the mass majority of them r not first round picks..but there have been many taken that have done nothing. ..so yea take the yinzer out..
I'm trying to find the insult ur referring to..cause i said yinzer? ..that wasn't meant to be that...I can talk to my next door neighbor and they will tell me we need a corner..doesn't mean that's the best pick..I'm a bartender. .trust me tommorrow I'll hear that all day..there wasn't a corner to be taken there and they got one of top 4 edge rushers which was a need also...corner would have been a reach...but everyone will be dogging them about it tommorrow just like ur article even thou they r wrong
riles3109
5-1-2015, 3:30 am
I wasn't trying to be rude but it seems u put alot more into hockey than anything...i started reading u when u had the pirates q and a When I was younger. .lloved it
Dejan Kovacevic
5-1-2015, 4:47 am
I appreciate that. But no, the effort, time and money that's expended is aimed at being even with all three. The lone exception is that I commit to being at every Steelers game everywhere, partly because they don't play many, partly because of their extraordinary reach and popularity. Sorry for flying off a bit. This one gets old, regardless of the sport in question.
Dejan Kovacevic
5-1-2015, 7:05 am
This one actually had me laughing out loud, no easy feat at 3 a.m. I was a diehard football fan before following any other sport as a child. And to this day, for my career, I've written more material on football than hockey and baseball combined. But hey, why just to try to make a rational argument rather than tossing an unfounded insult? You want to discuss ratio of first-round cornerback success, I'm there. You want to relive fourth-grade name-calling, I'm not.
thebaldtruth
5-1-2015, 2:19 pm
A bit rude, riles3109. DK is one of the more well-rounded sportswriters out there. And that's why, you know, we subscribe to his site, right?
Sportsguy15478
5-1-2015, 2:53 am
DK I also wanted a corner taken until Waynes, Johnson, Peters were already gone then I saw a chance to land top linebacker talent and started screaming for them to get Depree and they did. There are still good corners to be grabbed in round 2 as follows, Eric Rowe, Ronald Darby, P.J. Williams, Jaelin Collins, Alex Carter, Quentin Rollins. I have faith the Steelers will land one of these guys and hope they grab Senquez Golston or Ekpre Olomu in the 4th round.
That sounds good in isolated context. The failure to prioritize the secondary comes with a lot of layers over a long period of time. If you'll read the piece up there beyond a thumbs up/down level, you'll see I'm hardly ripping the pick.
Sportsguy15478
5-1-2015, 3:21 am
Oh trust me I know what you mean DK. Last year I was begging for them to draft a corner. Hell i had been wanting them to do that for a long time. So I understand your frustration with constant focus on one position and neglecting the glaring one. But this time I don't blame them.
PlazMan
5-1-2015, 5:21 am
Said this yesterday on another media site and still feel the same today. Thank you DK for letting me know I'm not alone!
"In today's dink and dunk, quick pass offenses, guys that can cover are an absolute must. Yes, a great pass rush significantly helps the CBs. BUT, a great pass rush doesn't factor in as much if the QB is getting rid of the ball in 3 seconds or less.
Unfortunately, the Steelers have ignored the CB position for too long and are left with what might be the weakest secondary in the League. Cortez "benched b/c he got burned so much" Allen, William Gay, Antoine Blake, Kevin Fogg and B.W. Webb. Anybody even remotely confident in that bunch? Think any other team fears or even respects that group?
This "pass rush" will be neutralized by max protect blocking and the DB's will be destroyed. I hope I'm wrong but the last two seasons suggest otherwise.
dan.sunseri
5-1-2015, 5:49 am
Not ripping the pick but when is the theory going to change? Agee after the top three corners are gone go with best available. But what about a trade up to get one of them? What's the bet that if the Steelers pass on a corner in the second Colbert says something about value pick and liking this guy or that?
How about liking a corner and going to get one! Rowe,Darby, Collins, Rollins. PICK ONE!
I think it was a great pick. He's a big dude but well built with speed. The CBs available to them were all day 2 picks. Now lets get a receiver in rd 2 and a coubpe CB prospects.
The Cowboys disagree with your assessment that all remaining CBs were day 2 picks.
Mizery
5-1-2015, 10:59 am
Jimbo831- Look at the Cowboys track record with first round cornerbacks. One isn't even on the team anymore and the other one is a back up. Byron Jones was a work out warrior that can't play actual football. I wanted a CB too, but not after Wayne's, Johnson and Peters were off the board.
Philly Poke
5-1-2015, 6:23 am
DK, curious who you would have taken in that position? Collins?
It was absolutely the right pick and to think otherwise simply doesn't get what has been wrong with Steelers D the past few years....pass rush!! Can get good corners in reds 2-4. I'm very surprise all the media types would think otherwise...
The media types write and chirp on the airwaves, but I don't see NFL Talent Evaluator or Head Coach or Assistant Coach on their resumes.
jimbo831
5-1-2015, 10:23 am
The Steelers have been prioritizing pass rush and putting CBs off to the later rounds for the last several years. How has that been working out for them so far? You don't seem to get it -- the league has changed. It isn't 2008 anymore, and even in 2008 the Steelers had a pretty damn good cover corner in Ike Taylor.
Scott Hey Hey
5-1-2015, 4:30 pm
Last year's picks didn't prioritize the pass rush.
Rich Q
5-1-2015, 6:33 am
I will respectfully disagree with your complaint about all the linebackers. I see where you're coming from and I don't necessarily think they should always be first-rounders of course, but that's just the way it's shaken out the past few years, and you have to think that part of it is a combination of positional neglect and bad luck.
Before we started with Timmons, the Steelers hadn't taken a first round linebacker since Robin Cole, unless you want to count Huey Richardson (and nobody wants to count Huey Richardson). That's not to say we didn't draft LBs:
92 Kirkland rd. 2, Webster rd. 9
93 Chad Brown rd. 2, Woodard rd. 5
94 Gildon rd. 4, Ravotti rd. 6
95 Donta Jones rd. 4 (oops)
96 Steve Conley (3) Earl Holmes (4) Carlos Emmons (7)
97 Vrabel (3)
98 Ryan Olson (6) (oops)
99 Porter (3), Kelsay (7)
'00 Haggans (5)
'01 Kendrell Bell (2) Roger Knight (6)
'02 Foote (4)
'03 Alonzo Jackson (2) (oops)
'04: no LB
'05: Rian Wallace (5)
'06: no LB
'07 Timmons (it begins!)
'08 Bruce Davis (3) (oops)
'09 No LB
'10 Stevenson Sylvester (5) (huzzah?)
'11 no LB
'12 Sean Spence (3)
'13 Jarvis, Vince Williams, etc.
So unless you count that stab at Alonzo Jackson... then with the exception of Timmons in '07, the Steelers didn't take linebacker seriously from 2001 until 2013 - twelve years of neglect. And before that, they were always stocking up on linebackers, and indeed, known for having fearsome linebackers.
And then we had our recent sack troubles. For one I hope they never "turn off the fountain" like that again. You take a linebacker every year, hopefully not in the first round again but the pick was terribly needed to finish refilling the cabinet here. I hope we learn the same lesson at WR by the way - always grab a WR, even if it's a midrounder only.
While I was hoping for Kevin Johnson or Marcus Peters, they had alas both come off the board by our pick. And this is probably a football team with too many needs (and too deep a draft) to entertain giving up extra picks to go and move up, at least in the first round. It was either a big reach for someone like Byron, PJ, Rowe... or it was taking the steal at OLB that fell right into the team's lap. Not only an OLB but just the type they needed - a big powerful guy who can set the edge and create pressure opposite our "get to the QB" guy (ostensibly Jarvis Jones). Thunder and lightning -- it may be true that he needs a little refinement and will contribute situationally at first, but that's what Arthur Moats is for.
I feel like we're now in a position where our depth is set and we can keep the LBers coming in future drafts, guys from round 2 to 5, and we shouldn't need a run of first rounders like this again as long as we don't turn off the fountain anymore.
Now, there are plenty of cornerbacks and CB/FS prospects I have my eye on for day two, and I'll be a little more cranky if we don't address it today either.
It's just amazing. You spent 4 first round picks on Timmons, Jones, Shazier, now Dupree. Two #2s on Worilds and Woodley. A number of picks on Williams, Spence and
slew of other guys who are gone. AND THEY STILL had to resign Moats and Harrison.
They also did this with the offensive line, and I'd say that turned out alright. They missed on Adams to this point, but they sure hit on Pouncey and DeCastro. Gilbert is serviceable. They plugged away and it paid off. So let's give this some time.
SeanAY
5-1-2015, 10:00 am
I'm sure they weren't counting on Worilds retiring early. Or Sean Spence hurting his knee so badly he almost never played professional football.
I know you have to take injuries into account, but one could argue that the front seven SHOULD be in a much better place.
bpn8pitt
5-1-2015, 1:52 pm
I'm not convinced with OT on this team but that's a discussion for another day.
Lot of high picks in that front seven. Hope you guys are right and it works out.
rob p
5-1-2015, 6:44 am
DK, do you think the steelers go corner next pick, and then proceed to draft a tight end to eventually replace heath?
Gotta disagree DK. When KC picked Peters I figured CB was out in 1st round. Good fortune Dupree was still there. would have been interesting decision if both were still there.
When you pick 22nd, the first 21 picks probably include other players that you wanted. If they picked when one of the top corners was still on the board and opted not to take one, then maybe there's a legitimate complaint.
DK- Love the site, and I agree with you about 99% of the time but I think you're way off here.
I agree the secondary needs a ton of help, but the value just wasn't there at CB after the top 3 guys went off the board. This is also an extremely deep draft in the 2nd/3rd rounds at the CB position. Byron Jones is a stiff workout warrior.
Thanks DK good article. But in my mind the choice presented last night was not CB vs OLB but also in the option of trading down. Bust rates (mentioned below) are high for CBs, agreed. Knowing that and knowing bust rates in general are high, I would like to have three picks in the top 64, which could offer a 33% increase in the likelihood of a nonbust pick. Obviously, this assumes a trade partner.
At this rate....Butler wi have to drop all the linebackers into coverage because we have absolutely nobody that can cover down field. (Hint the sarcasm there).
Quick question for you my friend......would it be a bad idea to possibly explore drafting a late round QB? (Bens not getting any younger) Or do you think they would wait another few years on that front?
Thanks as always for the knowledge you bring! Just a opinion from the lunatic fringe!
#theiconneverlies
You made the presumption that most of the nation shares your opinion, but it seems its decidely in favor of this pick given how the draft played out.
I love the pick and and Iike the fact that they won't reach for need. You also questioned passing on Eddie Lacy in rd1 a couple years ago, but they wound up filling that need in rd2 with a pretty good player. I see no reason that a similar result couldn't play out tonight, with a lot of talented corners still out there.
The sentiment being described in the opening was solely related to the wish to upgrade the secondary. Check again.
Tom
5-1-2015, 2:44 pm
My point was that you come across as thinking that drafting a LB in round 1 and upgrading the secondary are mutually exclusive, and that contrary to your presumption many of us seem to think that they made a smart choice and can still upgrade the back end on day 2. Wasn't trying to be a wise @ss or anything.
DJ
5-1-2015, 7:09 am
Looks better in NFL Combine Under Armour than that suit.
We'll never know the true value of this pick until he hits the field, whenevr that is. In the meantime, and I keep coming back to this, AR2 said at the start of off season that he wanted to see an emphasis on improving the pass rush...the last time I recall him making an off season remark like that was when he said a couple year ago that he wanted to see an improved running game....check. Despite the dink-dunk style of O that eams run nowadays, a stellar backfield is useless without a pass rush--if you don't have a good pass rush, it's like pushing a rope....as you can tell, I'm not upset about the pick. I truly feel if Peters or Johnson were there, they would have selected one of those (forget Wayned being there), and they would have had to of given up too much in to trade up....
Defense has to be the priority. Yet in FA, Colbert did zip. Had some wiggle room to work with. Baltimore manhandled them in the playoffs and nothing I see will change that.With this schedule, can't be optimistic. Should have traded up last year to take a corner. But seems a 6-0 230 pound run around the block inside Line backer is just to hard to pass up. JJ is a bust and quite frankly bringing Harrison back suggests that is the case. Steelers miss the playoffs and Tomlin gets an extension will be the icing on the cake.
I think that's a bit hyperbolic, Chet. I don't believe (just my opinion) that the JH signing had anything to do with JJ's performance--the two are not mutually exclusive--and to call him a bust is both unfair and without reason. I know others have their opinions about JJ, and that's perfectly fine, I value and respect them, I just don't share them.
bpn8pitt
5-1-2015, 7:32 am
They'll get a CB later no doubt. But the thing is, how long is it gonna take that guy to learn the position? I don't want to here it on the Richard Sherman garbage. That's the outlier. Go back and look at how long it took Ike, Willie Gay, Keenan Lewis, Mcfadden even back to Deshea Townshend. Took almost all those guys 2 years minimum before they were trusted on the field.
That really doesn't change, no matter what round a CB is drafted in. Rarely do you see a rookie CB who doesn't have his struggles in the beginning.
LANDBILL
5-1-2015, 7:34 am
Damned if they do, damned if they dont. I'll take a top guy at his position opposed to the 4th best because "the need is greater". Harrison and moats starting 16 games? No thanks. Cornerbacks didnt make this franchise, putting quarterbacks on their tails did. Here's hoping Bud does a lot of that.
Without a strong, nasty, consistent pass rush or even a threat of such the following happens: Great CBs become good ones, good CBs become average and average CBs become below average.
Bud Dupree, to quote Bill Cowher, is "sudden." As in, a RB hits a hole and Dupree is suddenly there with nasty intent. Great tackler, too.
Your fascination with Steelers and corners is turning me out...the weak, inconsistent pass rush accounted for more bad play from the secondary than we know. And yes, the secondary talent was lacking, but you're drafting one guy in the first round... just one, not four. You can't eliminate an entire unit's problem with one pick and even great corners get burned when a QB is comfortable and has four, five, eight seconds to throw.
Dupree will help this defense... and the corners, whoever they may be.
I understand what your saying, but they haven't exactly ignored the pass rush in the draft and it still sucks.
Ziggy Hood, Woodley and Worilds are gone. That's a #1 and 2 #2s. Heyward, Tuitt. That's a #1 and #2. Jones, Dupree two #1s.
nfontana85
5-1-2015, 8:57 am
bpn8pitt,
you are mentioning interior DL as "pass rushers" below. in years past the steelers have never counted on the interior line to account for the pass rush hampton, smith, keisel, Hartings, kimo. it's all predicated on LB's getting to the qb. you also list 3 guys who are GONE. so don't they need replaced?
the steelers are playing a ton of gun slingers this year, we need to make them uncomfortable. what's one CB that will probably play just one side of the field 10yds off the ball going to do to make a qb uncomfortable?
bpn8pitt
5-1-2015, 9:19 am
Again, look at the amount of 1st, 2nd and 3rd founders they've spent on the front seven. Don't forget about Worilds and guys like Spence. Don't forget about later picks like Stevenson Sylvester, number of other guys I can't even remember cause they weren't here long.
Awful asset allocation. How can anybody look at the mixed to poor results developing those guys and at least not have a little doubt with Dupree and last years pick Shazier?
bencschmitt
5-1-2015, 7:44 am
A little too emotional here. It's a good pick. The CBs were gone.
And the CBs couldn't have been pursued via trade, presuming one of the three was higher on their board?
bencschmitt
5-1-2015, 2:30 pm
If they could have traded up for the Michigan State cat then, yes, I'd agree with you.
jasonward14
5-1-2015, 7:56 am
You used to say "Win or be fired" regarding the Pirates, well, it seems as if Colberts job status should hang on the production of these 3 LB picks in the same way. Not a huge fan of the pick but we knew going in they would take the best CB or OLB available and Dupree was certainly better than any of the CBs left at the time. Could've traded up? Maybe, depends on asking price but seems like if they wanted Peters it wouldn't have taken much.
He also played in 3 different schemes at multiple positions both functionally and by name during his last 3 seasons at Kentucky. That's a kid who hasn't been coached the same way twice and still has been able to play at an all-conference level in the "best conference in the country", according to national media types. And I'll say again what I said last night. The value of the corners left in the draft didn't make sense at the Steelers pick. They, in my opinion, got the player with the highest potential remaining at that time.
Let's also remember that Timmons is a pro bowler and a top 5 MLB in the NFL right now. And Ryan Shazier had 20 tackles in his first 3 games before getting hurt and 42 in 6 games if you include preseason. That's not exactly a bust performance from a rookie. Jones, well, is Jones. Didn't like him when he was drafted. Don't like him now.
This crew has also drafted Pro Bowler Pouncey in the first round as well as everyone's favorite team leader Cameron Heyward. I think I remember hearing something like 45% of all 1st round picks bust. That's much less than a sure thing.
bpn8pitt
5-1-2015, 8:09 am
They've just spent so many premium picks on LBs going back to Timmons/Woodley and still the results are below average in my opinion.
What bothers me with Dupree is how he rose so quick after the combine. The scouts went back looked at the tape, he interviewed with a lot of teams. And somehow he's still there at 22. To me that says he had issues somewhere.
Robert
5-1-2015, 8:24 am
What's a "premium pick"? And Lamar Woodley had 44 sacks over 4 seasons following his rookie year and before falling off the cliff. Some guys don't last but let's not pretend he was a bust.
bpn8pitt
5-1-2015, 9:13 am
For how many picks they've spent on the front seven in the Tomlin/Colbert era they should have one of the best in football. Clearly they don't. Woodley was a disappointment after he got paid.
I'm surprised at some if the optimism to develop Dupree when the results of the last decade suggest its an area they've struggled in.
jimbo831
5-1-2015, 10:29 am
The misguided optimism, bpn8pitt, comes from most Steeler fans, and the organization apparently, being still stuck in the mindset of football in the 70's where you want big, scary, hard hitting players in your front 7 to play dominant defense, not the current NFL where the rules highly favor the offense, passing is way more common and effective, and shutdown corners are necessary to have a decent defense.
Andrew Sanders
5-1-2015, 8:03 am
I'm ok with the Dupree pick, in the circumstances, but I don't see why we didn't at least consider trading up to grab one of the CBs that weren't taken that far ahead of us. It just feels like regressive thinking when you have such an obvious need in the secondary (even with all the guys from last season, we still had problems and we lost like half of them).
Andrew we also have an obvious need at OLB. We have Harrison, Moats, Jones, then who? Both CB and OLB were the highest priority in this draft. Why not take the best available to fill one of those positions.
nfontana85
5-1-2015, 8:46 am
you make trading up seem so easy. I believe the saying goes "it takes 2 to tango"...is the price of moving up just a few spots worth the price? if you even find someone who wants to drop back. steelers need all their picks.
Gamardo
5-1-2015, 8:08 am
At the risk of being sacrilegious, perhaps the new DC can get these guys to contribute before they're 40.
DK, did TomBert try to trade up or make any moves to go get a CB? Did they think Bud graded higher than their CB choices?
This reminds me of a few years back when DeCastro fell into our laps at 24(?) when he was to have been well off the board then. Is that why we DIDN'T move?
DK i think your Grade of a D is pretty harsh. Unless the Steelers traded up, which i think would have been a bad idea considering the amount of holes they have on D. This is a great pick. There were no 1st round corners left at 22. Sure Byron Jones was out there, but he was graded 2nd round by most. The Steelers had two positions where they have no depth...CB and OLB. So why not take the best player available that fills one of those holes?
I'm quite sure he's using "D" in short for Defense. Not the grade for the pick. He's citing all of the defensive draft picks of late.
g.keegan66
5-1-2015, 8:42 am
@tyler. i guess that went right over my head
nfontana85
5-1-2015, 8:44 am
totally agree.
Dejan Kovacevic
5-1-2015, 11:25 am
Yep. Reference was to defense. No lost with Timmons on it would ever get a D grade.
rharding1949
5-1-2015, 8:17 am
Not a great pick at all. Another typical MT player who runs fast, jumps high, but may not be able to play the game.
I thought it was all about production over combine performance. if that truly is the case, then MT and KC went against their own draft principles with this guy. He may be a nice guy and a solid citizen, but I'm doubting he is going to be much of a player.
Dupree ended up 2nd in team history in sacks and second on the team in tackles . I see DK mentioned lower level talent dupree was playing against and I think really isn't UK in the SEC? I am sure the LT's were more than up to the challenge dupree offered.
burghsportsguy
5-1-2015, 8:44 am
They've done so well with high production/poor metrics guys at OLB, like Jarvis Jones and Bruce Davis, right?
Worilds is their best recent selection at OLB and he was metrics over production.
But all that ignores that Dupree has both the metrics and production and played in the best conference in college football. Who did you prefer, the metrics-only CB from UConn?
jimbo831
5-1-2015, 10:33 am
Can we please stop parroting CBS's "SEC is the best conference" BS. The SEC went 2-5 in bowl games against ranked opponents last year. It's overhyped.
Day Short, Dollar Late
5-1-2015, 10:37 am
Dupree played on a poor Kentucky team. He was the only stud. So if you are the o coordinator, your goal is to neutralize him. Double team, run away from him and yet he was still the guy who got to the ball on a regular basis. I'm not saying he is the second coming of Greg Lloyd, but I wouldn't call his college career misleading either
Groat2Maz2Strangeglove
5-1-2015, 8:20 am
Dejan,
This is a quite excellent column, expressing your wish for corners but fully analyzing Dupree and his possible upside and abilities to fill quite a big hole at Worilds spot. That hole needed to be filled . . . badly!
However, I think you should talk to your "Editor." The headline/title doesn't fit the article. The headline indicates a bellyaching, pot-shooting article to follow: and I felt your column was much more even-handed than that.
"Steelers love Savage Dupree "
"Steelers say"Hey Bud, Lets party"
"Steelers trade 6th rounder to SL for Zac Stacy"
......Oh wait. Thats tomorrow.
Groat2Maz2Strangeglove
5-1-2015, 9:01 am
"Hey Steelers——This Bud's For You!"
By the way, isn't the Steelers' new Defensive Co-ordinator a "lover of linebackers?"
Arriba Wilver
5-1-2015, 10:46 am
You are wise AND funny, Groat.
tyler.cargo
5-1-2015, 8:33 am
I wanted Marcus Peters, Dejan. I would have accepted Kevin Johnson or Waynes as well. Had any of them been available at 22, I'd have been furious were they not the pick. However, they were gone and the drop off to the next available corner was significant. OLB is the other significant position of need. So my question is, what would you have had them do? I'm upset they didn't snag a corner as well, but the board just didn't break their way.
Everybody knew none of those guys would still be available at 22, so if you wanted them, you had to trade up to get them. We wanted Ben, we traded up to get him. If they wanted a corner, they would have traded up to get one. According to a reply DK made to someone else, they only trade they considered was trading up for Dupree. These guys can't get out of the mindset that they need to keep loading up on LBs.
tyler.cargo
5-1-2015, 10:49 am
@jimbo831 Then my question would be, what are you willing to give up to move up? First off, a corner is not going to change things the way that Big Ben did. We have more holes than just corner. We need OLB, defensive line depth, safety depth or upgrades, and a tight end, not to mention the paper thin OL depth. This team does not have just one hole that, when you plug it, they're all set and Super Bowl bound. Their defense needs an array of additions. So, again, what are you giving up to add one cornerback?
SeanAY
5-1-2015, 11:06 am
They didn't trade up to get Roethlisberger. They traded up to get Troy Polamalu, who's likely a Hall of Famer and was identified in that draft as a start in the making. Not exactly the same thing.
king of rock
5-1-2015, 8:33 am
solid pick, impact potential, best CB's gone, deep CB stockpile means reasonable value next rounds.
Compared to the talk around the office this article breaths "rare air". I'm also sick of "special" linebackers who seem average to the eye. I don't know much about Bud Dupree except he's the best player coming from a crappy college program. I hope he does well but this morning I find myself less than excited.
I'm not sure what you wanted the Steelers to do DK. The three worthy cbs were gone. They weren't that good to trade up for.
The Steelers need a lolb.
Dupree was the correct pick.
hey DK, after seeing the article title pop up in my phones status bar I was ready to come in here and argue about this "worn path". but then I read the article...
I know there is a ton of noise out there for a CB but I believe the worldis retirement forced the steelers hand. you have a still unproven Jones on one side and a 37yr old harrison on the other. I actually struggle thinking of another OLB on the depth chart. with the way the steelers D is centered on the LB position on what they ask that position to do (get to the qb, stop the run, drop into coverage) they need a special type of player. Dupree at 6"4' 265lbs and a 4.6 40 seems to fit those roles.
the steelers will have no problem finding a CB in the rest of the rounds that will only have to sit 10yds off the ball and not let the WR get by them.
"the steelers will have no problem finding a CB in the rest of the rounds that will only have to sit 10yds off the ball and not let the WR get by them."
No problem, huh? How's that worked out for them recently? They've had a huge problem with this.
chethejet
5-1-2015, 8:54 am
If JJ was a solid performer, Harrison would be retired. He was a big reach and the facts are his agility drills, 40 times and strength were below average. I am sure this pick will be better than the last two who are small and have no staying power for the rigors of the NFL.What DK and I are not pleased with is pumping up JJ and others as if they have found the superman is pads.
Great Steelers teams had great LB's not great CB's. I think Dupree is a good fit at LOLB. Not many LB with his size and ability. Will he be an All Pro? Who knows, there's no guarantees. Of course they need CBs. They needed to address that situation last year but made a luxury pick of Archer. They had two glaring needs OLB and CB. Let's see what they do in round 2&3. Plenty of good CB's out there.
While I typically agree with your viewpoints, DK, I wholeheartedly disagree with your thesis here. If the steelers had made this pick with one of the top three CBs still on the board, I too would've lost my mind. But given how the round played out and, yes, the steelers almost as large need at OLB, I applaud them for the pick. As ever, the draft is a crap shoot but the consensus around Dupree seems to be he was worthy of a top 10 pick. As you mentioned with respect to the Pirates roster decisions, when the sports gods shower you with a gift, you simply don't send it back. The Steelers track record with all these drafted LBs certainly warrants criticism, but where the roster is now I'm completely fine with this pick vs reaching for a CB with a second round grade.
I don't like to bring up 4-3, 3-4 arguments because I know teams are in subpackages most of the time. But I think its fair to wonder had they made a few years ago, how different things would look had they made the change. Completely different outlook in the draft with DE and DTs. Different outlook on LBs. Different outlook on free agency and the "fits" of certain players.
It's been brought up many times on this forum and others, how many more teams are playing a 3-4. Now you aren't getting the Kendrell Bells, Porters, Lloyds later in draft. Farriors are now very expensive to sign in FA.
Stubbornness. And the definition of madness, doing something over and over again...There's more than one way to run a D. Starting to feel maybe they should think differently.
And I hear the argument that their weren't any CBs there. But considering what you know now about Landry Jones, Dri Archer, Spence, Mike Adams maybe they shouldn't be so reluctant to move picks to go up in the first. They've pissed them away, anyway.
SeanAY
5-1-2015, 9:35 am
Personally, I don't dislike the pick too much. To echo many here, it's not as if any of the top three cornerbacks were available, and there is a hole at outside 'backer that needs filling. Hopefully this is the guy to do it.
The negative, though, is something that has also been alluded to; that is, they've invested a lot of resources into the front seven over the past few years at the expense of other positions. Jones and Shazier have been snakebitten by injuries more than anything, so I'm not ready to rule on their worthiness one way or the other.
The fact of the matter is, though, that before Dupree was taken, they were going to count on an unproven first round pick, a career back-up, and an unretired 40-year-old that's worth more as a leader than he is as an actual football player. That's one heck of a gamble.
So is hoping that a good cornerback comes your way in Round 2, though.
This maybe an apples to oranges argument bu for years the Pirates drafted pitcher after pitcher in the first round. Injuries and poor performance, none of them panned out. Other positions suffered as a result. Hindsight, they probably should have changed the approach.
bpn8pitt
5-1-2015, 9:46 am
Same may apply to Pens. Taken defensemen for years and then wondering why they don't have a winger.
SeanAY
5-1-2015, 9:57 am
I guess the counterpoint to my example is the offensive line.
For years we as fans bemoaned the state of the offensive line. "Why do we insist on getting Ben killed?"
They put a number of high-value picks into the line and it seemingly never got better.
(Sidebar: Maybe that was because we all realized that maybe Ben was getting himself killed back there more than we cared to admit.)
Anyway, one day that line actually DID get better. Much better. Pretty damn good, in fact.
Dr. Van Nostrand
5-1-2015, 9:37 am
I think the underlying issue is that the aforementioned guys, regardless of position, have not been productive football players. If Shazier and Jones were good, the D would be in at least a position to be average last year. I just hope Dupree works out, they need talent anywhere and all positions are complimentary of one another.
If they choose another scat back in the 3rd round, can we be angry?
12+88=6
5-1-2015, 11:14 am
LOL Jimbo
Lupe Sanchez
5-1-2015, 11:22 am
I'll bring the pitchforks you bring the torches :)
kwiechelt
5-1-2015, 10:23 am
Mel Blount -3rd Rd, Dwayne Woodruff -6th RD, Carnell Lake - 2nd Rd, Darrin Perry - 8th Rd, Mike Wagner - 11th Rd. Football is truly a team sport. One pick does not make the team. Draft is a crapshoot. Then, it comes down to heart, maturity, coaching, locker room atmosphere, injuries, luck, etc ...
I had a knee-jerk frustration to this pick, but after thinking about it more (post-coffee), I don't mind it so much. It's not like they bypassed Revis or something to pick Dupree. IF he pans out, it's amazing what pressure on a QB can do in terms of making even mediocre corners look better. On the flip side, any secondary is going to get picked apart if there's no pressure.
Thank you DK for sharing my exact sentiment that I voiced last night and a lot of people disagreed with me. There choice - but Im SICK AND TIRED of listening every year to these 2 morons saying "We will take the best player available" INSTEAD OF ADDRESSING TEAM NEEDS. Did New England take the best available player with there pick. NO - they took what THEY NEEDED. Thats why they are champions - AND WE ARE NOT !!!!!!!
DK Just read some of the comments...do you ever sleep? I agree with you. I am tired of seeing the Stillers draft LB's and DL's, but they were 22nd and 3 cornerbacks were selected before their draft slot, so I am not upset by that. I still think the draft should be used to obtain the best talent available to play and filling holes with free agent's. Unfortunately the Steelers suck horribly at the latter.
Fully understand the point of the column, but I don't think the proper course of action would have been to pull the trigger on Jones. The real decision, in my lay opinion, would have been to pick Dupree or trade down, perhaps giving them two cracks on the second tier of CBs. Given the first round CB hit rate, having two second tier CBs might actually be a better strategy.
That said, a few commenters have already called out later round success stories. Let's give the team a chance to complete the draft and then rate it in totality. If they add PJ Williams and Quinten Rollins, then I think they addressed their needs admirably
I can see both sides of this. But I side with the pick because of Dupree's speed. He might be the dynamic LB the Steelers need, because he can drop back into coverage and actually COVER.
DK: I get it, drafting LBs is 'getting old' but one point that some seem to make against this pick is that the LB taken won't be as good as advertised, will get injured, etc. Isn't that same thing true of any CB the Steelers would have taken at #22? And is it really sensible to think a rookie CB is going to make the difference on this defense, THIS coming season?
They have failed so far, in free agency and the draft to address the position. FAIL. But not sure the Dupree pick deserves the bulk of the ire.
People view these things though a prism of wishful thinking. People wanting a CB would've said great pick if the value was anywhere close. If that CB failed, the people who don't like Tomlin would blame him for not picking the right CB. People who don't like Colbert would blame him. It's the same thing every year. The right now value of the pick is good. The rest is conjecture and nonsense.
michaelfarraj
5-1-2015, 11:17 am
Another great column Dejan. I am very worried about the Steelers lack of urgency to address the secondary. In addition the state on the NFL Draft Profile of Bud Depree on weaknesses ends with this: “Will get caught taking bad angles to the ball. Needs to improve hand fighting. Still raw rushing the passer. Doesn't possess a go-to pass-rush move. Appears to lack urgency in-game.:" bothers me the most. It appears that he is going to be a project instead of instant depth at the position.
As soon as Johnson and Peters went off the board, Dupree was their guy (heck he might have been their guy all along given some of the questions around Peters' immaturity and Johnson's inability to defend the run and tackle). Tomlin has been drafting LBs since his very first draft and the retirement of Worilds made this pick absolutely necessary from his perspective.
Are we just going to gloss over the fact that every CB at the top of this draft is small and has glaring deficiencies and none of them are really worth 1st round picks except out of desperation? Clearly Dupree is a better player than all 4 of the CBs taken in the 1st Round. Let's not forget that supposedly last year Dennard was a can't miss and he can't even get on the field. CBs in the draft are NEVER plug and play these days. They just aren't that impressive out of the gate usually. Colbert needs blasted for failing to find a CB in free agency, NOT the draft in the 1st round where he would have basically drafted a part time nickel corner no better than anything on the roster.
I hate that they werent able to go corner. Part of me thinks they should have stretched for the kid from Uconn. But honestly the value wasnt there. Maybe they should have gone with one of the two outside rushers with questionable pasts. But hopefully a good pass rush which they havent had leads to better coverage. I honestly thing the secondary was never great it was propped up by the pass rush. As the OLB play deteriorated ao did the corner play. Now go corner corner in 2 and 3 and maybe even late and kill it with volume.
Trading up sounds easy ... .but you and I both know, it's not.
Teams want too much these days. This is one year the Steelers can not afford to give up a single pick.
thebaldtruth
5-1-2015, 12:34 pm
You are correct. Sometimes you simply have to bite the bullet and trade up. Seeing as how CB (and, I'd argue, safety) was a glaring need, this was one of those times.
They also could have signed a FA, sure.
If Bellichick and company are making these decisions I assume they know their personnel and the opportunities available later in the draft. Recent history does not give me the same warm/fuzzy feeling about Colbert/Tomlin.
tyler.cargo
5-1-2015, 12:39 pm
It's a very valid point that CB should have been addressed, even moderately, during free agency, and it was not. They need to address the position (and the secondary in general) with AT LEAST one pick tonight, and then another on Saturday. The approach to address CB in general, I agree, is worth criticizing. I can't fault them for not trading up last night because there are various positions that need addressed in one capacity or another and each pick they have at their disposal is critical to accomplishing that.
Robert
5-1-2015, 12:54 pm
Should've signed a FA
bpn8pitt
5-1-2015, 1:20 pm
I didn't think San Diego gave up a ton to move up a few spots. As I've been saying, if your using #2s and #3s on Mike Adams and Dri Archers, Landry Jones in the 4th: ALL PROJECT/RISK type picks ( not to mention Taamus and Raineys)...you can be a little loose trading picks. They look at it as dealing a potential Hines Ward or Antonio Brown when in reality there's a better chance its a Limas Sweed lottery ticket.
Brandon S.
5-1-2015, 11:59 am
After those "big 3" corners there is a crop that is similarly that can be picked in the second round. If they weren't willing to trade up then I have no issue with them waiting for the second round to get one. Bryant McFadden was a second rounder and was more than capable in his time with us. You don't need a Revis when you can put pressure on the QB. As always, we'll have to wait and see but they BETTER get a CB in round two or this could get ugly.
I appreciate DK's "fence sitting" position, but I disagree that the LB'er positon has lost it's luster in a "dink and dunk" NFL. The LB'er position is now called upon to do both -
1) Rush the passer
2) Cover the "dink and dunk" ....
Shazier is a good young run stuffer who can cover the middle of the field. His best days are ahead of him. The only questionable 1st rd. LB pick I see at the moment is Jervis Jones. I'm just not sold on him. He's weak in the upper body and lacks moves. I just don't see him beating 320 lb. lineman to get to the QB. I just don't .. Dupree on the other hand is the total opposite of Jones. Dupree is thick, big frame, fast, freakishly athletic, strong ... and plays angry. If the Steelers didn't reach on Jones 2 years ago ... everybody would be just fine selecting another LB this year.
As someone else pointed out, the main problem with the corners last year was the long pass. Seems pressuring the passer still relevant. And we DID lose Woriilds. Hopefully Dupree is better.
Jeff
5-1-2015, 12:06 pm
Have to question if they wanted an OLB why the pick wasn't Shane Ray because he has the better tape. Was it the foot injury? Or the marijuana incident? John Elway didn't have any problems moving up 5 spots to snatch Ray up. Tomlin didn't have any problems saying he would personally drive to pick Ray up. Just not sold on Dupree.
Hi guys, Kevin Colbert here. I have to sign in under a different name, you know, because of privacy and all that. First off, let me say this: When you out there in the media, out there in the stands say, Zig, we Zag. Got it? Because that's the Steelers Way. We don't even listen to ourselves, much less anyone else. Half the time we don't even remember what we picked the last round, much less the last year. You say we need a corner? We say to heck with that. In fact, if you actually play corner well for us, we will probably get rid of you. And if you stink, we'll keep you. We don't have time to overpay for glorified basketball players. Mike Tomlin and I actually hate corners. we hate wide receivers too, and quarterbacks, too. Why do you think we keep drafting edge rushers. Because quarterbacks are the type of players who can get us fired. And we hate that. We only like Big Ben because he won't have much of a brain left when he retires. Nope, there's the Steeler Way, and it's the Only Way, Even if It is a One Way Alley that Dead Ends at a Brick Wall. Because that's how we envision our defense. KC out
I'm usually a huge fan of your work DK but I feel like this piece is tainted with too much personal bias almost like it was written by a fan not a journalist. You make statements you stand beside the bulk of the nation in not being happy but i seen only a few really against this pick.
There's no denying that our secondary is the biggest need but coverage and pass rush work hand in hand and rarely can 1 be good without the other being good. A great pass rush can make an average corner great (just ask Ike Taylor) so there's no reason to think that a great pass rush can't make our below average secondary average. There's also no need to reach for a 2nd round talent in the 1st round, those are the types of decisions the derail franchises.
I think too many underestimate what Shamarko Thomas can do ... and will do ... now that he's getting a chance to fill Troy's shoes.
Thomas was a bad-ass as Syracuse and the Steelers actually moved up to get him. With 3 solid, young LB'ers and a revamped secondary (we're getting a CB in the next 2 rounds) ... this defense will be improved. Hell, just getting Ike Taylor off the field improves our secondary.
I'll give Dupree and Shazier a chance. I think if Jarvis Jones was the guy he was supposed to be, then it's less likely that the steelers draft Dupree. I think there is a reason he fell to 22. All that aside, regardless of how the Steelers have drafted in the first round, I think there is a lot to be desired about how the Colbert Tomlin duo has performed on player eval. I don't know what it would take for that situation to change in the Steelers front office. Decisions have been boom or bust with little in between.
One of the best commenting threads since the site started, from this view. So very much appreciated. Nothing does that like a situation with a clear split.
This site is the only one I can stand to comment on, because so many people actually seem to know what they're talking about.
thebaldtruth
5-1-2015, 2:34 pm
I also enjoy the varying viewpoints.
One of the nice things about people throwing in a few bucks to be here is that it keeps the trolls away.
SeanAY
5-1-2015, 2:36 pm
Haha. I was just thinking about that the other day. All the old rabble-rousers with blustery opinions that got ticked off with facts have just vanished.
mwehrle27
5-1-2015, 12:33 pm
With how tough the schedule is this year, it is good they didn't trade any picks for next year. Should be a high pick. Can get a good cover player next year. I always did agree you can't force picks. Feel like they would have with CB. But now in rounds 2/3 they have to at least get one.
Bottom Line is he could be Lawrence Taylor or Huey Richardson trust in process, coaches and scheme see what shakes out. Finding corners in today's NFL is not an easy task. I read so much bad stuff about this Waynes kid I was praying the Steelers would not take him. It is all a crap shoot with how much spin can be applied to excite the fan base.
BOOM. Great post DK. Also the comments from Subscribers have been intelligent and incisive. Good, thoughtful discussion from both sides.
This is Reason 453 why your site is an absolute must.
Now, they had better target CBs the rest if the way. Clearly, they've got CBs they are high on left to be plucked. If it means trading up and losing out on some picks, they'd better do it.
Based on his comments last week, the sainted, perfect Bill Cowher would have drafted Dupree. He was adamant about the Steelers' need for a better edge rush.
Yes, Dupree fell. He was passed over by a lot of teams who either didn't need an OLB, or -- and this is important -- are *terrible teams*. There's a reason they draft before the Steelers.
Re Shazier & Jones: The categorization of them as not living up to the hype is, to a large extent, about injury. And some of it is about playing on this D in your first couple of years. Every time you see an internet comment about them being busts, keep in mind that Cam Hayward is an internet bust. So was the also-sainted Worilds. Troy Polamalu would have been an internet bust after his first year. If it were up to the internet, James Harrison would have been driving a truck for the last 10 years.
And in a draft where corners were at a premium, the "just trade up to get one" theory becomes kind of specious. Yes, they could have traded up. But it's likely the cost would have been enormous down the road. If we know anything about the Rooneys, they don't mortgage the future.
I am not one of those "everything is perfect" Steelers fans. But I'm also not one of the new breed fans who derive pleasure, Jets-fan-like, from hate-watching their team. And I think I'm justified in not acting like Colbert and Tomlin are Cleveland Browns-level judges of talent.
DK, love your site, your writing and the level of discourse in this comments section. I'm just saying, there's reason to believe that this organization is not flailing in the dark. I saw exactly zero mock drafts that had Dupree as anything other than a top 10 pick. I'm hopeful.
As I said below, considering what you know now of guys like Mike Adams, Archer, Landry Jones, Sean Spence why are we so afraid to trade picks to move up?
Pitt Critic
5-1-2015, 1:16 pm
Unbelievable.
When will Steelers get it through their head, the NFL has change.
Steelers basically think investing in the pass rush (front 7) is better than investing in DB's.
How's that been working out the last 3-4 years?
Can't blame LeBeau philosophy anymore... this is all on Colbert. Colbert has got to go at the end of the season.
1. It's not Colbert. His drafts were pretty good when partnered with Cowher. So what's changed? Him or his partner?
2. Yes, the NFL has changed, but I tend to think that LB is now as important a position in pass coverage as CB. Short passing game = needing dynamic LBs who can cover backs and TEs but can also get to the QB. The position may be as important as ever.
mckees2006
5-1-2015, 1:17 pm
Blah blah blah.. Last I checked Steelers don't have access to a time machine so can't change the lack of importance on DB's in past drafts. What is this trade that everyone seems would have landed the team one of the big 3 DB's? Without trading up I 100% agree with the pick of Dupree at 22. Now if we don't go DB in second round add me to the list that front office is making a huge mistake!
DK or anyone please tell me what this trade up that everyone is referring to.. And who was the willing trade partner? Seriously confused I didn't hear about it
Thanks
I don't think Dupree is a bad pick. I think he'll be a good NFL player. I don't think there was a better player available at the time. The thing is, though, that the pass rush won't matter when every team can go 9/10 on 3 step drop, 7-10 yard passes. Most of which occur as a result of not being able to cover anyone so you have to play 10 yards deep to avoid the big play.
I'm going to have to disagree with you, DK. There wasn't a high rates corner left on the board. Dupree was the best value and I don't think he will be a project as you say. They couldn't just pick a corner like Jones just to appease the fan base. Yes, it's boring and more of the same, but it is a safe pick
Last thought, I'm interested in what type of corner they get. Lebeau had zone guys that could tackle. I'd like to see a press man type. I'm also interested if he's a big school guy or a small school project. Is he a senior with a lot of starts or a junior with the proverbial upside.
My point is, if he's a project then the FA strategy makes no sense. And they might as well have made a trade and moved up to get someone who was more plug and play.
I realize there are few guys like that but, not sure Ben has the time to wait three years for a guy to develop.
I'm beginning to talk myself into the player, if not the use of the pick to get the player. This is what Joe Bryant from Footballguys.com had to say:
Pittsburgh - The Steelers got a boom/bust player at a much more tolerable price than the top 8 pick that Bud Dupree was supposed to command heading into the draft. Dupree has the highest athletic ceiling of the EDGE prospects by far, but he has a lot to learn and ignite in his game if he's going to make up for the miss that Jarvis Jones looks like two years in. The two are opposites, and the Steelers much hope that averaging the two leads to a hit.
DK, great post as always. The defense reminds me a bit of the young O-line that took 1-2 years to gel and realize its potential. So much young talent outside of CB, where maybe one player on their roster should be in the NFL. Still, it does not bode great for next year. It will likely take a bit of time for these players to develop and quarterbacks will have a field day with no one able to cover any receiver...
That's not the planet I'm living on. I can cite plenty that don't like it.
That said, if you read the column up there, I don't pan the pick itself. Just the failure to address corner. There's a distinct difference.
das1257
5-1-2015, 2:13 pm
I'm ok with no corner in 1st rd. Although CB is their greatest need, let's not forget this team had a number of holes to fill in this draft, including pass rusher
He will be in street clothes next to Shazier and Jones as all three nurse pulled hamstring, high ankle sprain, and back injuries. It is amazing the lack of talent and playmakers on the Steelers D...this is another bust, 7-9 this year
Nobody complained about this strategy when it took us to threats 3 supernovas... Steelers have always been about lbs first, def line then secondary except rare occasions that come along as Troy..as much as we all say CB without a pass rush NFL i now favoring recs don't care how good u r most of the time WR wins, you have dominate pass rush makes CB better I.e. Taylor last 12 years, minus past 2...
Some of this article Is based off the thought that Waynes would have been better pick etc... Thank GOD we didn't have a higher pick and make that mistake. Waynes Is not even close to being a Steeler type corner. Cb in first round especially late round are a dime a dozen. How many Kyle fullers, Kyle Wilson's , heck even high picks like marice clayborn, don't pan out. We can draft 2 cb over next 3 rounds and hit a Townsend type corner.
This pick was a good one. Regardless of Tomlin and Colbert track record. Which I agree is pathetic . We still needed and got the spot we needed. We have Jarvis jones who the book is still out on and a 37 year old James Harrison. Heck this pick had to be made. At least at corner we have gay playing solid and Allen has at least shown in the past that he can be solid. Maybe better in the slot. I agree we need cb. But I'd rather get what I thought was a sure thing then reach for a cb
Maybe its been a long day but why are some of these posts time stamped as after 2:00. Its 1:25 5/1 onmy watch. I just subscribed. Does my subscription come with a flux capacitor?
Bnanstokes
5-1-2015, 2:11 pm
Perfectly stated
Biz
5-1-2015, 2:55 pm
For what its worth, ESPN is reporting the Steelers are trying to trade up to the top of the 2nd round to choose a TE
Mixed on that one, Biz. There's a couple TEs I like in this draft. But not before a CB. What do you think?
Biz
5-1-2015, 3:30 pm
I was surprised to hear it. Not only are you choosing a TE over a CB, you will also probably be losing a draft pick to move up? I hope they are out to lunch on this one.
bpn8pitt
5-1-2015, 4:02 pm
Agreed. I'm concerned they are gonna pick up a project at CB. If that's the case they should have got a corner in FA.
Reading
5-1-2015, 3:06 pm
After they take a corner, I'd like to see Steelers pick Nicklaus' grandson at TE, if available.
There look to be some corners worthy of being chosen early. I'm guessing Jalen Collins (LSU) is the next one off the boards. PJ Williams (FSU) is probably next. Alex Carter (Stanford) may be around for the Steelers.
would've liked a trade up to get peters but character/off field issues perhaps too cumbersome. risk/reward. happy w/ dupree. great athlete and seems like a good kid.
I undersatnd the pick given need, value, what was availble at 22, and all that. LB and CB are both VERY thin.
The question is not prioritizing LB/Pass Rush over Secondary/Coverage. It is does this team have the ability to identify, evaluate, select, and develop high end D talent. Taking a CB would not have changed my skeptcism on that. Sure we would have finally taken one, but would it have been the right one that actually develps into a Pro Bowler.
The Steelers second round pick accentuated the Colbert-Tomlin draft woefulness. They selected 5'8" 176lb cornerback S. Golson (I forget the first name; you will too), I suppose because the kid made a game-ending interception against Alabama... maybe he looked good at the Combine too. I don't know. Assuming as a second round pick, they actually believe someone that slight and small can play in the NFL right now, do they really believe he can watch receivers maybe 8 or 9 inched taller?! They drafted a kid that probably shouldn't even be in the draft (or at least not seriously considered until the 7th round). I have watched this crew destroy the team over the last several years. The Steelers stand to become like the Bengals of the 90's, gutted because of continuing bad drafts. Good organizations don't "rebuild" they "reload." Bad teams rebuild because they can't draft well. If the Rooneys want to see another championship, they need to wake up now.
DEJAN KOVACEVIC, born and bred Pittsburgher and professional sports writer since 1990, was named one of the nation's top four columnists by the Associated Press Sports Editors (2011) and National Headliners (2013).
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May 1, 2015
Column: Steelers’ worn path not working out
217by Dejan Kovacevic • Columns • Tags: Steelers
Bud Dupree holds up his new Steelers jersey with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell Thursday in Chicago. — GETTY
BY DEJAN KOVACEVIC
Alvin Dupree, or Bud, as he’s been known since he was big enough to tell kids to stop calling him Alvin, sounds like a sensationally nice kid.
He’s also a superb athletic specimen at 6 feet 4, 264 pounds, with speed and strength and, per his performance at the NFL Scouting Combine, he can long-jump from here to Long Island.
So yeah, maybe, just maybe the Steelers got a good one.
Maybe Kevin Colbert and Mike Tomlin will come up roses for investing their first-round pick in the NFL Draft last night, No. 22 overall, on this highly decorated outside linebacker from the University of Kentucky, and maybe Colbert will be vindicated eventually for declaring to us assembled media afterward, “This is a gift for us” and “We didn’t expect him to be there at 22,” or Tomlin for describing Dupree as a “unique animal.”
But for right now, I’ll stand safely alongside what’s presumably the bulk of the Nation as a whole and wonder aloud exactly how long the linebacker position will be prioritized before this the cosmic black hole that the defensive secondary has become.
I’ll just let it out: I’m sick of linebackers.
I’m sick of linebacker after linebacker after linebacker being taken in the first round of the draft, which last happened as recently as, oh, right now:
I’m sick of hearing that one linebacker is “special,” as Colbert deemed Jarvis Jones, and that the next linebacker breathes “rare air,” as Tomlin breathlessly spoke of Ryan Shazier, only to watch both look terribly ordinary once they unpacked at Saint Vincent.
I’m sick of starting linebackers retiring at age 27.
I’m sick of linebackers un-retiring at age 36, then somehow starting.
And all I did as the picks passed in this round, other than to raptly appreciate Roger Goodell being booed with equal gusto anywhere for any reason, was to count the vanishing cornerbacks:
Trae Waynes, Michigan State, 11th overall to the Vikings.
Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest, 16th to the Texans.
Marcus Peters, Washington, 18th to the Chiefs.
Drip, drip, drip. And that last one was the dagger, especially in the context that the thought should be perished that the Steelers could trade up. Peters had made a mess of his time with the Huskies and eventually was kicked off the team by the coaching staff because he didn’t seem to welcome being coached. But kids mature, the versions of that drama varied enough to cast some doubt and, above all, this is a corner that experts concur can flat-out cover. Maybe Andy Reid will make a player of him.
Maybe Tomlin and staff could have, too. We’ll never know.
We’ll also never know their real preference in this round. Every indication was that this time, honestly and truly, they sought a corner. That they’d seen the light at long last. That they finally looked at their depth chart in the secondary, took a deep breath and succumbed to the cold reality of owning the NFL’s most dynamic passing offense and one of its worst passing defenses.
At least that would be nice to think. Because from there, one could be convinced that they’ll take that exact approach into the second and third rounds Friday, even though those three corners are gone, as well as Byron Jones, Connecticut, 27th to the Cowboys.
We’ll see.
Colbert was asked, for seemingly the zillionth time in this setting, why he took another linebacker over a corner, and he was predictably prepared for it: “Again, we didn’t expect Dupree to be there at 22. That was a very easy selection. As we say all the time, we’re never going to lock ourselves into any position. We want good football players. Bud Dupree certainly fits that category.”
We’ll see about that, too.
It’s not just that the book is out on Dupree. It’s that the storyline is all over the place. Expert reviews range from his having no-doubt, top-10 talent to performing well only against lesser linemen. If you’re among the dozen or so who watched CBS Sports’ coverage of the draft, you saw that panel give the Steelers an A+ grade, with Pete Prisco glowing that Dupree “never should have fallen that far with all that ability.” If you subscribe to the statheads at Pro Football Focus, you’d have read their staff label Dupree “as bad a pick as has been made, based solely on tape. Dupree is a tremendous athlete, but he’s far from a tremendous football player at this point. He generated his pressure at Kentucky beating up on bad tackles and wasn’t all that productive. He’s going to need an awful lot of coaching up on a Steelers team that’s desperate for some pass rush now.”
That’s now as in now, mind you. The Steelers’ 33 sacks last season marked their lowest total since 1989, and Jason Worilds just walked off with 7 1/2 of those. So the need at that position is real, too, even if not as overarching as the one at corner.
But if that need is real and it’s now, then why go for a project like Dupree, who might need the same year or two we’ve seen allotted to Jones and Shazier?
The offense isn’t exactly in wait-and-see mode. It’s already dynamite, and it might be second to none if Martavis Bryant takes off as expected. Windows in the NFL don’t last long, and this one is as wide open as an Antonio Brown slant. The time to shore up that defense is now. And it says here that the best way to have done that was with a plug-and-play cover corner, who could have made a difference now and, given the need at the position, deep into the future, too.
It’s possible that only Waynes could offer that from this class of corners. But at worst, any corner could have been eased in with the nickel and still played more than Dupree likely will.
At best?
Well, let’s just say the Steelers’ well-worn path here isn’t working. And it’s past time to consider that getting to the passer doesn’t mean nearly as much as it once did in this dink-and-dunk day and age of quarterbacks zipping 5-yard strikes in less than 1.5 seconds.
Again, to be fair, Dupree seems wonderful.
On the field, in 47 games for Kentucky, he recorded 23.5 sacks, second-most in school history, as well as 38 tackles for a loss, four forced fumbles and a game-winning interception this past season against South Carolina.
Highlights from Kentucky’s official page:
Beyond that, unlike most pure pass rushers, he also finished second on the team with 74 tackles, an encouraging sign that he can seal the edge in the running game.
I asked Colbert about that specifically, and the GM heaped on even more praise: “He is very, very strong at the point of attack. That’s why, really, when you watch him work out as we did at his pro day, you had to keep reminding yourself that this guy is 6 feet 4 and 269. He doesn’t look that big until you get up close to him. He can surely play the point. He can power rush. He can speed rush. He can put moves together. He can rush off of two feet or out of a three-point stance. And he can cover. So really this is a gift for us to be able to get this guy at 22.”
It wasn’t just the Steelers who loved Dupree at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis a couple months ago. Listen to the commentators during his 40-yard dash:
Tomlin was equally effusive about the intangible impression Dupree made on March 12, when those two went to dinner the night before Kentucky’s pro day: “He had a lot of questions about James Harrison, not only the player but also the professional. He asked a lot about his workout regimen and things of that nature. He asked good questions for a young man.”
Dupree didn’t speak excessively on his conference call with us Pittsburgh media types, as Tomlin had predicted, but he made his points.
• On winding up with the Steelers: “It was a great surprise. It’s still a shock because I really talked to the coaches only one time at pro day, so when they called my name it was great.”
• On why he writes the word ‘SAVAGE’ on his wrist: “You want to see it every day and make sure you don’t just talk about it. So I put it on my wrist, so it’s with me all the time.”
• On waiting in the infamous green room as he kept dropping: “It was a horrible wait. But I think I’m in the right position. I’m glad that Coach Tomlin gave me a chance, and I will prove them right.”
It’s OK, young man. A whole lot of others are still waiting impatiently.
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