Update 3:38 p.m.: Vance Worley has been designated for assignment to clear space for Joe Blanton, obviously more than a little surprising.
4:10: Worley didn’t sound too pleased by it:
4:25: Worley was a very, very well liked guy in the clubhouse. He received a number of hugs on his way out of the visitor’s clubhouse in Cincinnati a few minutes ago. Blanton admitted that, like Worley, he was looking forward to again playing with a former teammate. “That’s the part of the business that stinks,” Blanton said. Clint Hurdle said that, while parting with Worley wasn’t easy, the Pirates never felt like he completely adjusted to life in the bullpen. The Pirates simply feel that he is a starting pitcher, and expecting him to remain in the bullpen simply wasn’t fair. As you could probably sense from the above video, Worley, who is a good-natured fellow, was extremely polite but didn’t take the news well. One got the feeling that Worley, along with some of his teammates, was very surprised that he was the man removed from the roster. … Look for the Pirates to use Blanton in a slightly different role. While he will handle some of the long relief duty that had been Worley’s primary responsibility, the Pirates, according to Hurdle, will not hesitate to use him in short relief as well. Also, should a doubleheader pop up on the schedule – or, should the Pirates wish to be careful with the innings pitched of a particular starting pitcher, choosing to skip someone’s spot in the rotation – look for Blanton to get the start. … Good news for the Pirates: TODD FRAZIER ISN’T IN THE LINEUP! Frazier has absolutely owned the Pirates for a couple of years now, but has hit a prolonged slump following his remarkable Home Run Derby performance in this very ballpark. The Reds decided to give him the night off, which surely won’t upset the Pirates. … Today is Hurdle’s birthday. He was asked if he had received any good presents. “No,” he said, pointing to an empty corner in his office with a smile on his face. “That’s where I’m stacking all my good gifts.” Maybe another player is on the way, which might enhance his birthday. … Gregory Polanco’s knee is well enough for him to be back in the lineup tonight. He’s been walking with a limp all season following games but has managed to play through the discomfort. … In a sign that Aramis Ramirez’s presence has made the Pirates a deeper team, Neil Walker is batting eighth tonight.
7:19: Polanco’s knee is apparently fine, as he led off the game with a bunt single. Starling Marte, Andrew McCutchen and Ramirez were then retired. It should be noted that McCutchen and Ramirez hit the ball hard off Holmberg. Marte had some good swings, too. Nobody looked fooled.
7:30: Reds 3, Pirates 0: Marlon Byrd just hit a 438-foot blast to center off Burnett, who commented following his last start that expecting him to repeat what he did in the first half of the season isn’t likely. Indeed. The Reds are squaring the ball up early and often.
7:40: Reds 3, Pirates 1: And the Bucs are on the board thanks to Pedro Alvarez, who launched a solo shot to right. Off a lefty, no less. He put on a remarkable batting practice display – more than usual – and it carried over to the game.
8:15:Reds 4, Pirates 1:Jay Bruce with a sac fly. But more importantly, some interesting words just now from GM Neal Huntington. He isn’t necessarily done making trades, but essentially ruled out acquiring a starting pitcher. He also made a bizarre comment when asked if Burnett, whose velocity is down tonight, is injured. “I’m watching the same game you are,” Huntington said. “If something is amiss, we’ll let you know after the game.”
8:33: Reds 5, Pirates 1: Brandon Phillips drives in Billy Hamilton. In other news, A.J., who doesn’t look himself physically tonight, is ready to snap. He and Joe West are having words. A.J. also was just visibly upset with the dugout and Ray Searage because of how the infield was positioned during Phillips’ at-bat.
8:41: A.J. gets out of the jam and his fastball hits 94 MPH a number of times. OK, then. Perhaps his health is just fine, but rather, he was laying off the velocity in an attempt to find his command. It’s all over the place.
9:07: Reds 9, Pirates 1: Deolis Guerra replaces Burnett and promptly gives up a three-run homer to Phillips.
9:23: Reds 11, Pirates 1: Poor Guerra really had his struggles. Needed 40 pitches to get two outs. One of those nights.
9:33: Reds 11, Pirates 2: Chris Stewart with a sac fly. Carry on. Nothing to see here.
9:54: Reds 14, Pirates 2: Is anyone still reading? You’re a trooper if you are. Happy birthday to Clint, eh?
10:15: Reds, 14, Pirates 5: Cutch with an RBI single and Ramirez with a two-run double.
10:35: Reds 15, Pirates 5: And look out because Jaff Decker is the new pitcher.
10:48: Decker with a scoreless inning. It has mercifully come to an end, this game.
Starling Marte is 14 for 32 — .438 — in his past eight games. — GETTY
That was my thought too. Isn't it better to have two guys (Blanton and Worley) that can spot start? Guerra was showing that he didn't really belong in the majors...
bpn8pitt
7-30-2015, 4:21 pm
Guerra has pictures or damning texts from somebody, apparently.
soaszah
7-30-2015, 4:24 pm
I thought getting Blanton was to provide depth for the middle relievers, but releasing Worley seems to negate that thought process. Doesn't make much sense to me either.
Adam
7-30-2015, 4:28 pm
Yeah, I'm not sure what they see in Guerra. Whatever it is, I'm missing it.
NMR
7-30-2015, 4:34 pm
When you have a guy in the bullpen only making four appearances over an entire month span, you don't really have a 7-man bullpen.
He was simply a wasted roster spot.
soaszah
7-30-2015, 4:57 pm
NMR - when the starting rotation has been putting up 6+ strong innings every time they take the mound, it reduces the need for a long reliever, especially during the AS break. If someone on the starting rotation becomes injured, now you're stuck using Blanton and finding another long reliever. Just doesn't add up, unless this was a cash move...I thought we were beyond days like this.
NMR
7-30-2015, 5:05 pm
It absolutely adds up, soaszah.
Pittsburgh21
7-30-2015, 7:08 pm
Worley was complaining and not happy with his role.
LonelyLibertarian
7-30-2015, 7:40 pm
pittsburgh21 - source please - tossing out crap like this is irresponsible and uncalled for IMHO
Pittsburgh21
7-30-2015, 9:06 pm
Did you even listen to DK and Josh on the Podcast?
it's been reported several times aside for this on the podcast
Nor could I, on my Android Tablet I got a message telling me to get thee to a nunnery...er...YouTube.
JAL
7-30-2015, 4:17 pm
Pirates Lineup:
1. Gregory Polanco (L) RF
2. Starling Marte (R) LF
3. Andrew McCutchen (R) CF
4. Aramis Ramirez (R) 3B
5. Jung Ho Kang (R) SS
6. Francisco Cervelli (R) C
7. Pedro Alvarez (L) 1B
8. Neil Walker (S) 2B
9. A.J. Burnett (R) P
Reds Lineup:
1. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B
2. Ivan De Jesus (R) 3B
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B
4. Marlon Byrd (R) LF
5. Jay Bruce (L) RF
6. Eugenio Suarez (R) SS
7. Tucker Barnhart (S) C
8. David Holmberg (R) P
9. Billy Hamilton (S) CF
steelag70
7-30-2015, 4:18 pm
Good to see Gregory in the lineup today.
Mancuso
7-30-2015, 4:21 pm
+++++
Pittsburgh21
7-30-2015, 7:07 pm
This should consistently be our line-up!
unipress_55b1b485c7fce
7-30-2015, 4:25 pm
I do prefer Blanton over Worley. Worley has done anything we asked him too, but he's not clutch.
Hope these aren't our only moves, but after today's flurry it looks like everything is picked over. Hope Jay Hay and Jordy get back quickly. REALLY missing Cumpton and Holdzcom right now.
Go to Holdz.com for all your backend, flame-throwing righty needs.
cmat0829
7-30-2015, 5:05 pm
Everything isn't even close to being picked over. Reds tigers want to sell but have only made one move each. Lots of relievers available. All Padres in play. Orioles Cubs yanks Giants haven't made any moves. Picked over? If you seriously thought the Pirates were in on price etc you are delusional.
Battleship Bob
7-30-2015, 4:29 pm
This doesn't make much sense on many levels. Can we get a full explanation from NH? Seems like we need guys who can relieve or spot start. Talent-wise, Worley was definitely not our biggest pitching liability. I thought the management team loved him.
In lieu of another move, this is very puzzling to me. I like the fire I saw in his interview. He'll be back
NMR
7-30-2015, 4:36 pm
Why does Huntington need to give the explanation?
I repeat, Hurdle used Worley four times this month. He's the one that pulls the trigger, and he clearly didn't trust Worley. His explanation is right up there in Josh's notes.
Battleship Bob
7-30-2015, 4:50 pm
You are right. I guess I just like to have the sense that our GM is actually doing stuff. By speaking up, it makes him seem like he is involved in some way with the club.
Having said that... it is troubling that Hurdle trusts Bastardo, Guerra and Caminero more than he trusts Worley.
cmat0829
7-30-2015, 5:04 pm
Battleship. That makes no sense. The GM actually did stuff. Like trade with the royals to pick up Blanton and then DFA Worley. That is stuff in my book?
Battleship Bob
7-30-2015, 5:09 pm
Shuffling deck chairs is not 'stuff'. Toronto is doing 'stuff'
Steelkings
7-30-2015, 5:23 pm
I think the PBC got all they thought they could out of Worley. I dont think it was a matter of trust as much as it was the visible talent ceiling. They still this they can improve the skills of Bastardo, Guerra and Caminero. I think Worley was treading water.
NMR
7-30-2015, 5:28 pm
Just like Toronto did "stuff" the last time they went "all in", Bob?
Instead of trading for David Price, they could have Noah Syndergaard headlining their rotation for this playoff run and the next six years if they hadn't "made a splash" by trading him for R.A. Dickey. Seriously. How silly does that sound right now?
Look, I can understand if folks want something big for entertainment value, but I simply cannot understand how people think there is some magic potion here when time and time again these things fail massively.
Steelkings
7-30-2015, 5:38 pm
+++NMR
Battleship Bob
7-30-2015, 5:40 pm
This is actually pretty interesting.
I think that the exact moment in time that the Pittsburgh region caught the "trade deadline cure-all" disease was when Craig Patrick made the Ron Francis trade. That big deal trade won a championship and all trade deadlines, in any sport, in Pittsburgh have been measured against that deal ever since. The trade deadline became a mythological moment when your team can move 3-4 big names around and win it all. The curse of that trade was that it worked... once,
NMR
7-30-2015, 6:08 pm
I never thought about the local angle, Bob. Man did I love that trade!
My thoughts are much simpler...folks like seeing NOW much more than waiting. The way the world works these days. Think back to when people were outraged that the Pirates didn't trade Starling Marte to upgrade a crappy 2012 team. How insanely dumb would that seem now?
I have absolutely no problem trading prospects, at the deadline or otherwise, but all the narratives about *needing* to do this or that in order to win a world series are simply ridiculous. Sooooo much history says otherwise.
I'd actually really enjoy some big flurry of "all in" trades. That'd be a blast. But I also understand that it most likely want matter in the end, and I'll probably regret it later. There's some sort of lesson from my college days buried in there.
Battleship Bob
7-30-2015, 6:22 pm
I guess my biggest gripe (if you can call it that) is that NH has let a few NOWs slip past, and not used everything available to him in his wallet when the Pirates were definitely in need of help. The argument could be made that the deals just weren't there, but it seems that GMs are making deals that are deemed necessary at the drop of a hat (Cardinals/Moss) I don't like the feeling of having a surplus left over if you haven't won it all. I REALLY don't like the feeling of little to no movement.
And of course, as I type this, the Jaokim Soria deal comes through... :)
The Black Cloud
7-30-2015, 6:36 pm
Gotta agree with NMR here on the how the whole "going all in" thing doesn't have a lot of historical precedent for paying off. It's almost always that one (or two) so-so moves that seems to pay the biggest dividends. Not saying that there's not more work to be done in the next 21 hours, but history shows that most the big splash moves don't pay off in trophies and parades.
I was ready to comment on that. Great song, but I'm sure it felt like piling on for Vance.
PucknutZ
7-30-2015, 5:05 pm
Actually Matt I took it the other way. Maybe the guys in the clubhouse trying to jag mgmt a bit.
" Ain't no sunshine when she's gone
It's not warm when she's away
Ain't no sunshine when she's gone
And she's always gone too long
Anytime she goes away
Wonder this time where she's gone
Wonder if she's gone to stay
Ain't no sunshine when she's gone
And this house just ain't no home
Anytime she goes away"
Switch she w/he and just maybe ???
The song did not start right away, guys saw the scrum....are they that slick???
Dave G
7-30-2015, 4:33 pm
Worley was not the weakest link on the staff. VERY surprised to hear this.
Ok...I know the Pirates need an arm but I really think the Pirates bench will be better when they get healthy. Harrison and Mercer make the bench better regardless of who is in thehe line up and who isn't.
This only makes sense to me if they add another, better late inning arm. I concur bpn...Gasoline Caminero and Guerra don't inspire hope.
NMR
7-30-2015, 4:46 pm
Honestly surprised folks didn't notice how little he was used. Seem to be thinking of the guy who showed up for a half-season last year as a good starter, not the guy who couldn't gain his Manager's confidence out of the pen over the likes of Guerra and Scahill.
Not saying Clint is infallible, but keeping him on the roster was a waste.
Great guy, though. Never like seeing that happen.
bpn8pitt
7-30-2015, 4:49 pm
Oh, what your saying makes sense NMR. I just think that clubhouse is getting a little agitated. I would be. Hopefully there is more coming.
Starting to think it's not just DK and Lunatics that think less of the Pirates system. Maybe other baseball executives are down on it too.
Biz
7-30-2015, 4:51 pm
not arguing NMR, but doesn't the fellow in the long relief role usually not get used that much, otherwise, he can't fill that role?
Whovian87
7-30-2015, 4:54 pm
NMR, I understand what you're saying and they really didn't use him, but being designated for long relief means the start basically had to do very poorly or they went to extras, more than the 10th or 11th. The starters have been going a good length so they wouldn't use Worley for the 7th unless guys are being rested. Guerra is the more logical choice because he was used and didn't perform well. I'd rather keep the better man that barely plays than the worse player even though he's being used.
NMR
7-30-2015, 5:00 pm
@Biz/Whovian
"Look for the Pirates to use Blanton in a slightly different role. While he will handle some of the long relief duty that had been Worley’s primary responsibility, the Pirates, according to Hurdle, will not hesitate to use him in short relief as well."
IMO, this is how you productively use your long man and it seems clear Hurdle was looking for someone he trusted in that role. Worley, apparently, is not that guy. If his one and only use is mop up innings, that's just not worth a spot on the roster.
NMR
7-30-2015, 5:20 pm
@BPN
Baseball Prospectus has a feature where execs are polled on who they believe is the top prospect at a given position. Pirates have the top 1B (Bell), top catcher (McGuire), and 5th 2B (Hanson) so far in the series before even getting to Glasnow and Meadows.
I guarantee you people outside of Pittsburgh are far, far more impressed than present company.
Steelkings
7-30-2015, 5:28 pm
Come on BPN, Clubhouse agitated? Those dudes more than anyone understand this is a business. They also understand that right now the only help they need is for someone to beat the Cardinals every now and again. They have the third best record in baseball and losing Vanimal isnt going to change that.
bpn8pitt
7-30-2015, 5:30 pm
Top heavy, NMR. You know as well as I those words been thrown around by people more familiar with it than us. The Pirates have Glasnows and YJohnathan Barrios's but maybe not much in the middle. Those mid tier guys are what you trade, what fills your bench in a pinch, or gives you an inning out of the pen. Then you don't always have to go outside and get an Ishikawa, or Blanton.
And you also know those top guys can be duds. Stetson Allie was high on a list just 3-4 years ago.
bpn8pitt
7-30-2015, 5:42 pm
Cmon Steelkings, you know who Bill Withers is. ☺
NMR
7-30-2015, 5:47 pm
Only those guys completely out of touch with the Pirate's minor league system, bpn.
NMR
7-30-2015, 5:56 pm
Cole Tucker, Barrett Barnes, Elias Diaz, Jacoby Jones, Stephen Tarpley. Dejan's boy, Willy Garcia. Plus two Top 100 pitching prospects currently injured who represent what should be 2/5 of the current rotation.
It's an absolute fallacy that a minor league system should be judged whether or not a guy is ready to fill a specific need at the big league level. There is literally nobody else who does that in the industry.
bpn8pitt
7-30-2015, 6:07 pm
You don't think it's possible Neal has dangled some of those names and was told no? And if he hasnt, what's he waiting on?
I'm confused, brother. Hopefully more is coming.
bpn8pitt
7-30-2015, 7:00 pm
+1 for you on Jones, buddy 😉
David Foster
7-30-2015, 4:38 pm
I was happy to see Blanton on board, but like Worley a lot. I disagree with letting him go. A good teammate too.
I hope he gets to go somewhere and start, or that he's back here again after a short stint at Indy. He may not be willing to do that and I can't say I'd blame him.
He's making around 2 million, for the year, I'd bet if he's not moved, he would accept an Indy assignment
Steelkings
7-30-2015, 5:30 pm
Thats right Biz! Just like the Pirates annually call up Tabata and then DFA him when he's hot, I sure they are hopeful someone will claim that guy. Just like they hope someone claims Tabata.
The only words I wanna hear Neil Walker say are: "I'm trying to eat less carbs". Play good baseball and leave the management to management. I won't listen to any player opinion if they aren't at least hitting .300.
The Black Cloud
7-30-2015, 6:39 pm
HAHAHA Cmat...seriously, wife and I question that all season long.
Dave G
7-30-2015, 4:45 pm
I'm still having a tough time processing this one. Just can't figure the logic behind it.
Quite an uproar over Worley being sent out. Why exactly? There should have been an uproar if both Blanton and Worley stayed on the roster. That would be redundant. Blanton is viewed by Hurdle Searage and Huntington as being better than Worley. Not sure there is really any evidence that isn't true. The only outrage should be reserved for 24 hours from now. If this is the only bullpen acquisition than id be outraged. But no reason for anyone other than Worley and his family to be outraged. As to the good clubhouse guy crap, I think it's been clear that the players want additions to this club. Additions require subtractions. If any player thought Worley was a useful part of the pen he is delusional and borderline insane. Worley is a nice guy. He is either headed to another team to pitch more or to Indy to start and be a depth option while cashing his paychecks. Not sure that is a bad thing for Vanimal.
Because it's easier to identify the guys who stink and play a lot than the guys who stink so bad they don't even get in the game.
Gobo
7-30-2015, 5:09 pm
"Blanton is viewed by Hurdle, Searage and Huntington as being better than Worley."
I think, to clarify, Blanton is viewed by Hurdle, Searage and Huntington as being better than Worley for this particular role. Worley may be a better #6 starter than Blanton, but Blanton is a better swingman in both the bullpen and emergency starting roles.
cmat0829
7-30-2015, 5:12 pm
Yep ok. This particular role is all that matters for this season. I think odds ae high that Worley pitches for Indianapolis in a week or so.
Bubba Banjo
7-30-2015, 5:00 pm
Oh man.... Worley..... really.... what about flippen Bastardo??? Hope we dont lose Vance. I dont know about this one.
So from what I've been able to pull together from other sites is this: guerra may have been out of options according to pirates prospects. Also Worley may be less likely to be picked up since he is due approximately 900k for the remainder of the season. He makes it through, goes to Indy and gets called back up in September.
I could be wrong, but I think I saw it reported here recently that Worley wasn't necessarily a happy camper with his role. On the bright side, now if there's a collapse, we can call him this year's Casey McGehee. :)
Man, that's a shame. Really like Worley, never even considered this would be the move. Great poise in the interview, I like that in a pitcher. I really hope it works out for him.
I know Guerra is a spare part and Caminero can be valuable if he figures it out, and they are the ones people feel should've been taken off the roster, but my choice was Bastardo. The only reason he's been getting people out is because he's so erratic he's confusing hitters. His stuff is awful. Where's the saber metrics for that? I don't care that he's a lefty, I'm sure I'm not alone in that I don't trust him with any lead.
Yeah kind of a waste if Pedro doesn't see extra fastballs
ekw96
7-30-2015, 5:19 pm
Interesting vs. LHP: Both Polanco and Alvarez in the lineup and no S-Rod to be found anywhere! I guess Hurdle did split the lefties by moving AJ up in between Liriano and Locke, don't have the Big 3 all line up in the row though.
The coverage of this series needs to be reaalllly great. Because Im in Indy and the MLB morons think Im gonna drive 3 hrs to go to a game the next 6 games are a MLB stupidity blackout. 250 miles....so friggin dumb!
I feel for you. Rarely get Pirates Tv in Columbus Ohio , but can catch the Reds series on local Fox sports
ledtotheflood
7-30-2015, 5:41 pm
Worley took the Bucs to arbitration and won. And it wasn't over a whole lot of money. The team bristled. He had to pay the price since they would pay his. Given his performance to date, this move was not merited. It was petty and characteristic of the organization's arrogance.
Remember when Neal Huntington was an idiot for non-tendering Jeff Karstens. Pittsburgh is great at misplaced outrage.
G8rh8r
7-30-2015, 5:55 pm
I wonder if they are punishing Worley for standing there BSing with some dude on the Twins right in the middle of the last game...did you guys see that?
He isn't on waivers .... the DFA'd him ... 10 days to trade release or waive ... it's a bidding war as of now ... no waiver order. anyone who wants him has to ask for him in a trade
J. Olly Roger
7-30-2015, 6:01 pm
I think everyone is missing the point here...Worley is not a bullpen guy...doesn't want to be a bullpen guy. He is a starter and isn't much help in the bullpen. It looks like he will be starting somewhere soon, and I dont mean Indy.
One things for sure. The DKOPS Internet machine will break when this thread reacts to Cameniro, Guerra or Bastardo give up a run or two tonight.
Pittsburgh21
7-30-2015, 9:19 pm
J. Olly Roger ... dead on .... he was unhappy not starting ... DK and Josh both mentioned it ... if he's not going to be a team guy ... DFA
Mancuso
7-30-2015, 6:07 pm
I wonder what to make of Hurdle's "good gifts" quote. I'd settle for Frazier's absence and Polanco's presence on my birthday - but I suspect he feels what most of us feel about Vanimal's demotion in a special way, having been (presumably?) complicit in it. He's a diplomat, among other line items in his job description, and he's not going to belt out "Oh Happy Day!" on a day when the inexorable laws of professional sports hurt a good man on his watch.
If the rumor of the Pirates finishing a deal for the Detroit closer is true then there's your back end of bullpen guy and if Holtz... gets healthy and right there are your replacements for Guer. and Bastardo
Still like McGhee from Marlins. Just can't see the cost for Aramis to play third when Kang is far superior. McGhee fits the bill for a RH bat at first and can play third in a pinch. Just a better fit for the Bucs. Plus J Hay and Mercer return which makes on wonder what role is Aramis. Not a fan of that move, especially for 3 million in cash.
Don't understand Worley with people like Bastardo, Caminaro and a few others being kept. Certainly not the best 25 on the roster. Neal and Clint need to stop telling us that lie.
you really wanna try to outguess these guys ... bless you!
LonelyLibertarian
7-30-2015, 6:37 pm
Will be interesting to see how the Worley move plays out - he is due a pretty big chunk of change - so he may clear waivers - if he does then the Pirates can use him as a swing guy if needed. Let him get work at Indy and be available for a spot start or to fill in for an injury - they can also work a trade - as KC did with Blanton - with the claiming team if he gets claimed.
BMTIB said publicly his stuff wasn't good enough ... it was repeated by our Root Sports guys ... if he didn't pitch perfectly to spots and shifts he was a liability ... this is all nothng ... Worley nor Blanton are going to make a difference!
BOTTOM LINE WORLEY WANTS TO START AND WASN'T GOING TO PLAY THE TEAM FIRST ROLE!! ... "nothing to see here!"
I hope Jones does well....could see him as a DH for them in the future.
Milo Hamilton
7-30-2015, 6:54 pm
You OK out there LL ?
LonelyLibertarian
7-30-2015, 7:05 pm
I may never recover - when Jones is playing SS for the Tigers in two years and hitting 25+ HRs I will be tempted to jump off of the Clemente bridge....
Milo Hamilton
7-30-2015, 7:11 pm
You can join me on the Willy Garcia bandwagon. Hopefully he survives the next few hours.
Pittsburgh21
7-30-2015, 7:14 pm
Now they say they didn't think he'd make it as a shortstop!
Pittsburgh21
7-30-2015, 7:15 pm
but he is a hitter ... and when have we ever needed a hitter?
Durka
7-30-2015, 6:55 pm
Jones is pirates 12th ranked prospect according to pipeline
What is it with the Sleds? Team stinks so bad the have a fire sale on the team. They own us. Ugggggggggh. Its early. Maybe they wake up. AJ looks like a tired old man out there right now.
For everyone that says we don't need a starting pitcher, and there are many, do you think AJ seems like he is fading in the second half ? Third game since break and he has not looked good.
AJ is tired and the season long. Could have expected this. Even AJ admitted first half of season nearly impossible to duplicate.
powells4fam
7-30-2015, 7:47 pm
But does he have to be THIS bad? I don't care if he doesn't have the best ERA in MLB, just at least don't suddenly turn into the worst in the rotation.
TheGreatOne21
7-30-2015, 7:36 pm
Got the BP help big time, but Better start looking for another starter. Burnett, Locke, and Morton won't cut it. Burnett is officially struggling. Marte, Cutch, and Ramirez all had perfect pitches to take out but got nothing. Byrd does it with ease.
Fall back one more time to 6 or 7 behind Cards you can forget it the Pirates having a chance for Division.
Great One, how many times a season do you get to say 'forget about the division'? I'm pretty sure two should be the limit. I think you took yours by May.
Mancuso
7-30-2015, 7:36 pm
Starting pitching regressing to the mean. And I think the PBC is making moves for a scenario in which their starters are better than the bad guys through 5 or 6 innings more often than not.
Was just going to ask this. Maybe be what they wanted Corey Hart to be? My only question about getting a 1B/RF that hits RH is that when J-Hay and Mercer come back our bench would be the following:
Stewart, S-Rod, J-Hay, Mercer and Morse (all RH).
Would they cut S-Rod and keep say a Decker or Ishikawa to be the LH hitter off the bench?
chethejet
7-30-2015, 7:44 pm
AJ was unreal in the first half. He is not so good now. Maybe a dead arm scenario and needs to miss a start or two. 60 games left AJ can miss a couple 15 day DL and bring Liz up.
AJ definitely doesn't look right. Doesn't look like he's getting full torque on his twists when he throws. Wonder if something in the midsection is wrong or maybe shoulder. I'm no doctor though so just my personal guesses.
I don't like the delivery either. We've all seen a lot of AJ last 3-4 years. Somethings not right. Surprised they aren't concerned.
briangahagen
7-30-2015, 8:06 pm
what about a groin issue? He had those issues last year. He doesn't look good though.
Whovian87
7-30-2015, 8:14 pm
Could be groin. It looks to me like his delivery just kind of goes through. Almost like he's not forcing his momentum forward once it starts. Like he starts going forward and just lets his body and arm drift. I have shoulder issues and that's what I have to do to keep it from hurting.
AJ has struggled in the second half but this is the first time I see his fast ball at 88. I think Liz can be a call up as he wants to start and has the juice.
I was at a restaurant having a beverage with a former Pirate prospect who after being traded spent many years with the Padres and Yankees during his major league career and I asked him who was the worst umpire he ever pitched against, without a blink he said Joe West. Words he said after that are not for a family site.
TheGreatOne21
7-30-2015, 8:03 pm
WEST the UMP is Horrendous. This kid stinks and he is giving inside corner that is ridiculous.
Seeing Burnett more and more getting racked, how can anyone be at ease with now him, Morton and locke. Tough decision for Pirates. Is there a good number three starter out there.
New bull Pen addition make 2,8 million for the remainder of the season. Add 3 mill for Aramis and that is why almost 6 million cost for depth with the trade deadline still in effect. Can bucs add another 3 million for another piece? Not sure.
here we go again with AJ pitching like crap but then overreacting about infield positioning. Pretty sure Byrd's HR wasnt due to the shift and his awful control and lack of holding runners on is not due to the shift. Love AJ but when he gets like this I dont like him a bit.
First half AJ was too good to be true. He's showing his true colors.
Purple Moose
7-30-2015, 8:32 pm
So lets see. Last game AJ didn't even bother to cover home on that wild pitch with runner on third and tonight he is even bothering to hold men on base and letting them run wild.
West has been a freaken jerk since day one. He is such a dog and is a poster boy for what is why umpires need to quit being so thin skined and just fade away.
The Pirates since May 22 are 41-19. If you take away the Nats debacle in DC and the recent 1-5 road trip, they have won 40 out of 51 games. Sustained play like that has be shaking my head up and down vigorously. They are doing that with only a couple of players performing above expectations (first half AJ, Cervelli, Melancon slightly, Kang) and plenty still having room for improvement.
cmat0829
7-30-2015, 8:47 pm
not saying that there are no valid criticisms, there are plenty...nor holes, there are a few gaping ones.... but the 'jump off the ledge' posts are really way way way outside of reality.
Pittsburgh21
7-30-2015, 8:47 pm
They win despite Hurdle most nights
cmat0829
7-30-2015, 9:00 pm
no doubt the losses are all because of hurdle and the wins all despite of him. maybe we need jim tracey in here.
TheGreatOne21
7-30-2015, 10:08 pm
CMA spare us with the repeat of how the Pirates are best since blah blah blah. Critiquing horrible fundamentals is valid and no one is jumping off the bridge. If they had 'half' the fundamentals that they should have they'd be even better than what you shared and tied for first if not in the lead by or 2 or so games.
Besides, there are alarming trends that are there that will eventually hurt the team.
rongardner1
7-30-2015, 8:36 pm
What is the deal with A.J.'s velocity tonight? Can't wait to hear the post-game comments on what was happening.
Like Milo said...with all that's going on with AJ, it has masked the fact that the offense is stinky again vs a crap pitcher..and in a division game....
If they can't hit Holmberg they deserve to lose. He's garbage.
cmat0829
7-30-2015, 8:42 pm
If I were managing this team, I would pull AJ into the walkway, tell him in no uncertain terms that what he did on the mound that inning (showing up the shift, etc.) was BS and selfish and that he was done for the night. Tell him to go shower well then apologize to his teammates. End of discussion.
He walked away from Hurdle when he tried to talk to him. He's a joke when things don't go his way.
tds
7-30-2015, 8:47 pm
Hurdle should sit his arsse. I think he intimidates CH
Purple Moose
7-30-2015, 8:48 pm
++++
Florida Steeler
7-30-2015, 8:53 pm
Tds-- you think he intimidates Hurdle?? There is no question. Hurdle does not have command of this team- same in Colorado.
TheGreatOne21
7-30-2015, 8:54 pm
AGREE
TheGreatOne21
7-30-2015, 8:54 pm
Then he lets him BAT, Goodness, what a crap bench manager and gutless
AJS
7-31-2015, 12:30 am
I remember AJ blowing up over the shift in his last stint too. One time he even told Barmes "get the f*** over there now!" The next batter grounded into a dp right at barmes. AJ glared at Hurdle the whole way back to the dugout. Hurdle just shook his head and shrugged. Classic AJ. We had to know it was coming eventually.
chrisgallo944
7-30-2015, 8:42 pm
two starts 8n a row that aj doesn't look himself. this is going to be a devastating loss if he has run out of gas
Smooth move by Cervelli...
Hey Ump...I got sumpin in my eye...
Little more bullpen warmup time.
Although, it don't really matter too much if AJ don't get that last batter.
Chapman pitched the last 2 nights. We are giving him a chance to rest with this performance.
Purple Moose
7-30-2015, 8:46 pm
NOT PINCH HITTING FOR HIM WITH A RUNNER ON BASE AND DOWN BY 4 RUNS????
After seeing Burnett completely diss the manager in the dugout and not taking him out of the game after this disaster I guess that theory of Hurdle being afraid of AJ can be thrown out the window.
yep. saddens me actually. it wasnt like he was pitching a gem and the defense was way off kilter... not the time to point fingers.... just not being a leader at all. not sure what drives him to act like a jerk but it was not classy at all.
July 30, 2015
Final: Reds 15, Pirates 5
661by Josh Yohe • Game previews
CINCINNATI — Looking ahead to first pitch …
Game: Pirates (59-41) vs. Cincinnati Reds (45-54), 7:10 p.m., Great American Ball Park
Pitchers: RHP A.J. Burnett (8-4, 2.68) vs. LHP David Holmberg (season debut)
TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan
Online: Gameday | Multimedia | Media notes
Update 3:38 p.m.: Vance Worley has been designated for assignment to clear space for Joe Blanton, obviously more than a little surprising.
4:10: Worley didn’t sound too pleased by it:
4:25: Worley was a very, very well liked guy in the clubhouse. He received a number of hugs on his way out of the visitor’s clubhouse in Cincinnati a few minutes ago. Blanton admitted that, like Worley, he was looking forward to again playing with a former teammate. “That’s the part of the business that stinks,” Blanton said. Clint Hurdle said that, while parting with Worley wasn’t easy, the Pirates never felt like he completely adjusted to life in the bullpen. The Pirates simply feel that he is a starting pitcher, and expecting him to remain in the bullpen simply wasn’t fair. As you could probably sense from the above video, Worley, who is a good-natured fellow, was extremely polite but didn’t take the news well. One got the feeling that Worley, along with some of his teammates, was very surprised that he was the man removed from the roster. … Look for the Pirates to use Blanton in a slightly different role. While he will handle some of the long relief duty that had been Worley’s primary responsibility, the Pirates, according to Hurdle, will not hesitate to use him in short relief as well. Also, should a doubleheader pop up on the schedule – or, should the Pirates wish to be careful with the innings pitched of a particular starting pitcher, choosing to skip someone’s spot in the rotation – look for Blanton to get the start. … Good news for the Pirates: TODD FRAZIER ISN’T IN THE LINEUP! Frazier has absolutely owned the Pirates for a couple of years now, but has hit a prolonged slump following his remarkable Home Run Derby performance in this very ballpark. The Reds decided to give him the night off, which surely won’t upset the Pirates. … Today is Hurdle’s birthday. He was asked if he had received any good presents. “No,” he said, pointing to an empty corner in his office with a smile on his face. “That’s where I’m stacking all my good gifts.” Maybe another player is on the way, which might enhance his birthday. … Gregory Polanco’s knee is well enough for him to be back in the lineup tonight. He’s been walking with a limp all season following games but has managed to play through the discomfort. … In a sign that Aramis Ramirez’s presence has made the Pirates a deeper team, Neil Walker is batting eighth tonight.
7:19: Polanco’s knee is apparently fine, as he led off the game with a bunt single. Starling Marte, Andrew McCutchen and Ramirez were then retired. It should be noted that McCutchen and Ramirez hit the ball hard off Holmberg. Marte had some good swings, too. Nobody looked fooled.
7:30: Reds 3, Pirates 0: Marlon Byrd just hit a 438-foot blast to center off Burnett, who commented following his last start that expecting him to repeat what he did in the first half of the season isn’t likely. Indeed. The Reds are squaring the ball up early and often.
7:40: Reds 3, Pirates 1: And the Bucs are on the board thanks to Pedro Alvarez, who launched a solo shot to right. Off a lefty, no less. He put on a remarkable batting practice display – more than usual – and it carried over to the game.
8:15: Reds 4, Pirates 1: Jay Bruce with a sac fly. But more importantly, some interesting words just now from GM Neal Huntington. He isn’t necessarily done making trades, but essentially ruled out acquiring a starting pitcher. He also made a bizarre comment when asked if Burnett, whose velocity is down tonight, is injured. “I’m watching the same game you are,” Huntington said. “If something is amiss, we’ll let you know after the game.”
8:33: Reds 5, Pirates 1: Brandon Phillips drives in Billy Hamilton. In other news, A.J., who doesn’t look himself physically tonight, is ready to snap. He and Joe West are having words. A.J. also was just visibly upset with the dugout and Ray Searage because of how the infield was positioned during Phillips’ at-bat.
8:41: A.J. gets out of the jam and his fastball hits 94 MPH a number of times. OK, then. Perhaps his health is just fine, but rather, he was laying off the velocity in an attempt to find his command. It’s all over the place.
9:07: Reds 9, Pirates 1: Deolis Guerra replaces Burnett and promptly gives up a three-run homer to Phillips.
9:23: Reds 11, Pirates 1: Poor Guerra really had his struggles. Needed 40 pitches to get two outs. One of those nights.
9:33: Reds 11, Pirates 2: Chris Stewart with a sac fly. Carry on. Nothing to see here.
9:54: Reds 14, Pirates 2: Is anyone still reading? You’re a trooper if you are. Happy birthday to Clint, eh?
10:15: Reds, 14, Pirates 5: Cutch with an RBI single and Ramirez with a two-run double.
10:35: Reds 15, Pirates 5: And look out because Jaff Decker is the new pitcher.
10:48: Decker with a scoreless inning. It has mercifully come to an end, this game.
Starling Marte is 14 for 32 — .438 — in his past eight games. — GETTY